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braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:54 am

Just wondering how they compare. I own Live and it's simple, but you don't always get the best sound quality. I like that Orion has a Recycle-like approach, but how usable is it?

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:55 am

I hate using loops in Orion.

mooter · Post by **mooter** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:59 am

using loops in the drumrack in orion kicks ass

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:03 am

mooter wrote:using loops in the drumrack in orion kicks ass

I'm loop challenged. No wonder my shit stinks..

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:03 am

braj wrote:Just wondering how they compare. I own Live and it's simple, but you don't always get the best sound quality. I like that Orion has a Recycle-like approach, but how usable is it?

Are your loops percussive or ambient?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:43 am

I don't know. Why? Because loading a loop into a DrumRack and looping it at any tempo is a total no-brainer and sounds great, so why would I bother looking for a better solution?

Breakpete · Post by **Breakpete** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:26 pm

Looping in the drumrack = pitchshifting.
The Grooveslicer in the Orion sampler is quite good though, and is the only alternative in Orion if you want to preserve pitch/key. I guess it has limited potential for non percussive instruments/tones.

Unlike Live, Orion doesn't timestretch.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:31 pm

well if its a drum loop in orion it goes "BOOM TSK TSK BOOM TS TSK" in live i get "BOOM TSK TSK BOOM TSk TS"
i think its the onboard compressors tho that give the difference

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:34 pm

Breakpete wrote:Looping in the drumrack = pitchshifting.
The Grooveslicer in the Orion sampler is quite good though, and is the only alternative in Orion if you want to preserve pitch/key. I guess it has limited potential for non percussive instruments/tones.

Unlike Live, Orion doesn't timestretch.

Ive never heard any convincing timestretching, they all sound bizzare, very synthetic. Thats the trouble with using loops.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:38 pm

the whole point about Live is the warp markers, if all you want to do is recycle a beat and have it play all of the slice options seem better than good enough for that but I like to create my own unique swing/feeling and other unique characteristics in live that
can only be done with warp markers, about the only thing live does need though is a simple beat slicer for the times where that's all you want to do to a loop

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:43 pm

stale bread wrote:the whole point about Live is the warp markers, if all you want to do is recycle a beat and have it play all of the slice options seem better than good enough for that but I like to create my own unique swing/feeling and other unique characteristics in live that
can only be done with warp markers, about the only thing live does need though is a simple beat slicer for the times where that's all you want to do to a loop

The Tacklebox guys came up with a way to do it with Impulse, but I don't know how well it works. And I don't know how easy it is to do yourself. I imagine it couldn't be too hard to implement for Ableton.

mooter · Post by **mooter** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:05 pm

Looping in the drumrack = pitchshifting.

Use a pitchshifter to pitch it back up/down then:)

Breakpete · Post by **Breakpete** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:35 pm

Kriminal wrote: Ive never heard any convincing timestretching, they all sound bizzare, very synthetic. Thats the trouble with using loops.

Actually, the FL Slicer employs some very impressive timestretching.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:54 pm

yep fL rocks

Loops in Live vs Orion?