Some Chinese Flutes , are you like onlinedownload ?

[Lunatique]

yo, I was invited to it again but couldn't make it.
Maybe I should be there sometime hand out a demo cd.
I Know that every demo cd I send to Japanese developer is goign to get turned down Sho Ga Nai.
But I do compose Jpop in mulitple styles I think see it as more melodic form of song, not to mention more interesting production. I also like the way they do Orchestra arrangement in Japan. I am waiting to play Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, hear the music in that game I wrote Doujinshi Music for it, looking at the Awesome Art work. Yea I wish I could have went to that Game Developers Convetion, but hmm money, spent it all on samples LOL.
ja

Yay, finally a jpop fan at KVR! I was beginning to think I was the only one who knew anything about Japanes music. Whenver we list our influences and heroes, I never see any Japanese artists mentioned.

I grew up on jpop and Anime. I started getting into it around mid-80's, which IMO, was the height of Jpop. By the early 90's, Jpop started to go downhill, with all the Komuro infested souless fake Euro club shit like Amuro Namie and the rest. All the good melodies, sophisticated arrangements, and subtlety went out the window, and everyone wanted to be a Komuro whore. It was a sad time for Jpop.

My idea of good Jpop is stuff like Morikawa Miho's Freestyle album, or Kawai Sonoko's Rouge et Bleu album. For the dancier stuff, Nakayama Miho's Catch The Nite album beats any of that Komuro wannabe shit (however, I was a fan of TMN for their entire career. Komuro wasn't a whore then). The later Nakamori Akina albums are also quite sophisticated.

I'm also into bands like Psy-S, B'z, Buck-Tick, Anzen Chitai, Boowy, Barbee Boys..etc. I can't stand all that wannabe glam goth bullshit like Malice Mizer, Dir En Grey..etc. Buck-Tick is the Godfather of that stuff in Japan, and IMO the only one worth listening to.

And Sakamoto Ryuichi is a God among mortals. No idea why YMO doesn't get as much credit as their contemporaries.

[xander]

yo, I was invited to it again but couldn't make it.
Maybe I should be there sometime hand out a demo cd.
I Know that every demo cd I send to Japanese developer is goign to get turned down Sho Ga Nai.
But I do compose Jpop in mulitple styles I think see it as more melodic form of song, not to mention more interesting production. I also like the way they do Orchestra arrangement in Japan. I am waiting to play Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, hear the music in that game I wrote Doujinshi Music for it, looking at the Awesome Art work. Yea I wish I could have went to that Game Developers Convetion, but hmm money, spent it all on samples LOL.
ja

Yay, finally a jpop fan at KVR! I was beginning to think I was the only one who knew anything about Japanes music. Whenver we list our influences and heroes, I never see any Japanese artists mentioned.

I grew up on jpop and Anime. I started getting into it around mid-80's, which IMO, was the height of Jpop. By the early 90's, Jpop started to go downhill, with all the Komuro infested souless fake Euro club shit like Amuro Namie and the rest. All the good melodies, sophisticated arrangements, and subtlety went out the window, and everyone wanted to be a Komuro whore. It was a sad time for Jpop.

My idea of good Jpop is stuff like Morikawa Miho's Freestyle album, or Kawai Sonoko's Rouge et Bleu album. For the dancier stuff, Nakayama Miho's Catch The Nite album beats any of that Komuro wannabe shit (however, I was a fan of TMN for their entire career. Komuro wasn't a whore then). The later Nakamori Akina albums are also quite sophisticated.

I'm also into bands like Psy-S, B'z, Buck-Tick, Anzen Chitai, Boowy, Barbee Boys..etc. I can't stand all that wannabe glam goth bullshit like Malice Mizer, Dir En Grey..etc. Buck-Tick is the Godfather of that stuff in Japan, and IMO the only one worth listening to.

And Sakamoto Ryuichi is a God among mortals. No idea why YMO doesn't get as much credit as their contemporaries.

Guitarjeff and I had a few topics going on this a couple of months ago. I thought he and I were the only ones interested in Jpop.

I just got through working in Sapporo for the last two years and only got back to Beijing in late December. Some wild stuff happeneing there, though I agree it's pretty tough to crack into the industry if you don't have the right connections.

How about 'Boylook'

[99]

many example are real performance in my Artifice_Pack ,i guess you need buy again

These are exactly what I was looking for!

The winds are incredible. Can you tell me if there will be any new Chinese exotics like the erhu and more percussions?

Thank you!

[Lunatique]

xander - since you're in Beijing, you should go check out Dou Wei if he's playing with his current band. Really nice fusion of ambient, jazz, dub, and Dou Wei's own brand of weirdness.

[xander]

xander - since you're in Beijing, you should go check out Dou Wei if he's playing with his current band. Really nice fusion of ambient, jazz, dub, and Dou Wei's own brand of weirdness.

Yes I heard about him. Is he performing in Sanlitun? Do you know what club?

I am a regular performer on Bar Street -- just listen for the vocalist that sounds like a cross between Tom Waits and a drunk Greg Allman & that'll be me...

[Kongaudio]

many example are real performance in my Artifice_Pack ,i guess you need buy again

These are exactly what I was looking for!

The winds are incredible. Can you tell me if there will be any new Chinese exotics like the erhu and more percussions?

Thank you!

i have percussions ,for a while,not sale yet...
regards

[StrangeCat]

yea i can't seem to get into Japan as a composer yet, but it will happen(somehow). (I write many style of japanese popular music.)
Sakamoto Ryuichi is ok another you know producer Composer. Yoko Kanno is God Ha!
I just like to do more melodic styles, also there is a lot more harmony going on in Jpop then any style of popular music period, and lot of the producers can compose music other then just putting together a song. But yea it's all in the connections. Singers are only as good as there producer^_* idol singers etc. One way I know to get in is get the attention of a developer by doing something big in the US...
I barely post in KVR because frankly I can't stand the music people talk about(music?) grab some guitars instruments drums, mix master in studio and cd...and no harmony week melody, pathetic song structure, no cressendos, key changes etc...
ja

[xander]

yea i can't seem to get into Japan as a composer yet, but it will happen(somehow). (I write many style of japanese popular music.)
Sakamoto Ryuichi is ok another you know producer Composer. Yoko Kanno is God Ha!
I just like to do more melodic styles, also there is a lot more harmony going on in Jpop then any style of popular music period, and lot of the producers can compose music other then just putting together a song. But yea it's all in the connections. Singers are only as good as there producer^_* idol singers etc. One way I know to get in is get the attention of a developer by doing something big in the US...
I barely post in KVR because frankly I can't stand the music people talk about(music?) grab some guitars instruments drums, mix master in studio and cd...and no harmony week melody, pathetic song structure, no cressendos, key changes etc...
ja

Some of your statements are interesting to me.

There are those that are into a 'formulaic' approach to music, and, by virtue of there being many free-styling 'ambienters' in here, a lot who are really opposed to 'structure' or formula of any pop kind.

I like a lot of it, but years ago I left a really popular pop-rock band and joined a 'fusion-rock/jazz oriented' group and we were all excellent but starving within a couple of months.

This lead me to the conclusion that music in general is largely successful for the musician when what he plays pleases the public-at-large.

Like minstrels of old who had to sing and 'entertain' for their bread and board, so are pop musicians today. But of course there are many 'arteests' who would rather starve than compromise.

Personally, I like it all, but as a gigging muso, I know what to sing and play to pay the bills.

That said, it is DAMN HARD to bring together a group of musicians and vocalists sufficiently talented enough to do good Jpop, or pop of any kind and actually KEEP them together long enough to become well-known or successful.

Some well-funded producers have managed to put together a lot of bands that have been able to stick it out, but the majority of acts fall apart before they even complete their first demo.

That leaves us with a vast majority of DAW-based soloists lately...

[StrangeCat]

I think any style or music can become saturated but you have to remember that music that becomes popular or heard is because it's in something, let's say I write a japanese traditional song, I add some low beats and efx and dark highlighting with the percussion(somthing I just did a two weeks ago LOL) now if it was played on air-way or something I wouldn't make any money, but if it was played at the end of a film and was the main theme of the film and characters, well then it's big deal.

There are always tons of new Bands in Every culture popping up all over,(check out UtaBon Magazine) in Japan there is the Big Five producers Max Matsurra , spelling can't remember his name and others T.K etc. There is good Jpop and Bad Jpop just like any style of music, but in Japan the music that is good is way more melodic, the japanese Audience soaks up anything. There are people that sing on the street and get known, if your cute girl , then you could get picked up and taught to sing for producer or guy(SMAP LOL).

Then an Alblum will be many generas of music(not anywhere else do they do that). and yea it is very hard to put together anything. It is extremely hard when you are no one to write music for a large company or something for Japanese culture, really it's all in who you know. But having a song on something is the first key to getting that audience attention^_* and becoming known. (look at that band that did song to "Atlus's Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil", there hot now, hotter even)

nothing wrong with DAW I am on it. Hey I just got my ass chewed out by a Editor Publisher for Classical Music he still won't publish the Piano sonata but Atleast I fixed my Voicing mistakes man he really chewed me out(baka na). (publishing classical music is one way to not make any money)but it's just another style of music like Jazz, then fusion jazz, then cool jazz, bebop, clasic on and on and on.


I am just looking to write music for some small film or something were all music people we all do the best we can do and wait and try for the big break^__^
or something like that.

Cool to chat with ya.

[xander]

I think any style or music can become saturated but you have to remember that music that becomes popular or heard is because it's in something, let's say I write a japanese traditional song, I add some low beats and efx and dark highlighting with the percussion(somthing I just did a two weeks ago LOL) now if it was played on air-way or something I wouldn't make any money, but if it was played at the end of a film and was the main theme of the film and characters, well then it's big deal.

There are always tons of new Bands in Every culture popping up all over,(check out UtaBon Magazine) in Japan there is the Big Five producers Max Matsurra , spelling can't remember his name and others T.K etc. There is good Jpop and Bad Jpop just like any style of music, but in Japan the music that is good is way more melodic, the japanese Audience soaks up anything. There are people that sing on the street and get known, if your cute girl , then you could get picked up and taught to sing for producer or guy(SMAP LOL).

Then an Alblum will be many generas of music(not anywhere else do they do that). and yea it is very hard to put together anything. It is extremely hard when you are no one to write music for a large company or something for Japanese culture, really it's all in who you know. But having a song on something is the first key to getting that audience attention^_* and becoming known. (look at that band that did song to "Atlus's Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil", there hot now, hotter even)

nothing wrong with DAW I am on it. Hey I just got my ass chewed out by a Editor Publisher for Classical Music he still won't publish the Piano sonata but Atleast I fixed my Voicing mistakes man he really chewed me out(baka na). (publishing classical music is one way to not make any money)but it's just another style of music like Jazz, then fusion jazz, then cool jazz, bebop, clasic on and on and on.


I am just looking to write music for some small film or something were all music people we all do the best we can do and wait and try for the big break^__^
or something like that.

Cool to chat with ya.

Well, I hate to confess it in public (give away tiny secrets) but it's no big deal anyway. I spent a lot of time in "The ROCK Industry" in the USA. Learned a lot.

But I got my first-ever film scoring work in China!
After three years of scoring lots of small CCTV productions and a couple of major ones (scoring mind you -- not recording in most cases) I got a contact in Seoul and then in Japan. I just got back to China after almost two years in Japan, where I scored alost exclusively two local TV anime projects and a documentary in mainly a kind of pentatonic Battotai and Enka style, and a lot of 'Kayokyoku' like Nakayama Shimpei's early influences and Sakamoto Ryuichi (who does a lot of Chinese-influenced orchestrations, etc. like the score for LAst emporer - he's a major influence on me) But my personal God as far as Eastern influenced avante guarde is Takemitsu Toru, who is awesome.

But I did get to meet Makihara Noriyuki once, who is incredible -- especially if you love beautiful Jpop harmonies!

Also, I am a complete and total Anime freak and have been for many years. You should see my collection! So that kind of pushed me and had a big influence on me as well. One thing I really dislike recently though is that a lot of excellent Jpop talents are getting sidelined by rather untalented, manufactured 'stars' by Sony and their cronies, so it is frustrating.

It's all great experience though, so keep on truckin. I personally believe all the time that if you keep at it you'll succeed, but then , most people I know think I'm completely insane.

[StrangeCat]

it's great to talk to someone who has been there!
Kayokyoku isn't that pretty much the sum of Japanese lyrcism for most music9melody). yea must be nice to just score the music, doing production takes so much time away from actually scoring and composing. I dont' ahve to much time to watch anime, if I watch something I either want to write in that style or write something simular or what i think could be better LOL! Watch Ghost in the Shell Second Gig though a lot. and yea I become influenced from her cues.

Takemitsu Toru Hell yea! the guy even made up some of his scales and well I would consider all his music Impressionistic, larger chords spaced out over the instruments, most of it whole tone scale and penitonic, But I pretty sure he even made up some scales!

I have played just about ever Role Playing Game for every system just to hear how they score it, Shadow Hearts 2 had the most impressive Battle cues and battle game music of any game I played truly. I am still watching 12 Kingdems which has a beautiful score and Cue. A lot of Chinese Instruments are used in it.

I think it's funny when I can hear music like say ends song to Xenosaga anime and go wait a sec that sounds like such and such such song LOL...but who cares it's cool.

Anyways Xander you want to talk more? e-mail me
strangecat@visi.com if you want to chat about the industry and music and not say stuff in public.
were way off topic in here LOL!
as for keep trying I am pretty sure I gave up my soul to music.

[StrangeCat]

oh hey Xander since were talking about more tradional style music, Japanese, here's that song I was talking about "Instrumental Version"
it's on this guys page I used three of his samples in it.(and damn does he have great samples!) http://www.herman-witkam.com/raw/home.html
at the bottem of the page look for StrangeCat
I am composing Scat Jazz right now(be-bop-shubeedu-wa LOL)
that Song on that page is basically the kind that comes at the end of Japanese Film in the Traditional Setting(samurai etc)
One of my Favorite Movies right now is House of Flyin Daggers, I know in Japan they call it Lovers though.
ja na
StrangeCat

[xander]

it's great to talk to someone who has been there!
Kayokyoku isn't that pretty much the sum of Japanese lyrcism for most music9melody).

Yes I think so. Such an influence and it is indelible on me.

Takemitsu Toru Hell yea! the guy even made up some of his scales and well I would consider all his music Impressionistic, larger chords spaced out over the instruments, most of it whole tone scale and penitonic, But I pretty sure he even made up some scales!

Yes I think he did. It's great to chat with you -- we are of like minds. As far as I am concerned, there are many 'undiscovered countries and dimensions' of music in this part of the world that are incredibly interesting. It adds to my dimension of composing, to say the least. I guess it's why I stay here so much. In fact, wild horses couldn't drag me away.

New York? Borrrrrrrrrring...

Takemitsu-san is one of my idols. He suffers no established boundaries, so whatever he seems to do is so new -- it blows my mind. Such originality is like going to another planet for most Westerners/Americans and I am a lucky one.

I have played just about ever Role Playing Game for every system just to hear how they score it, Shadow Hearts 2 had the most impressive Battle cues and battle game music of any game I played truly. I am still watching 12 Kingdems which has a beautiful score and Cue. A lot of Chinese Instruments are used in it.

I think it's funny when I can hear music like say ends song to Xenosaga anime and go wait a sec that sounds like such and such such song LOL...but who cares it's cool.

Anyways Xander you want to talk more? e-mail me
strangecat@visi.com if you want to chat about the industry and music and not say stuff in public.
were way off topic in here LOL!
as for keep trying I am pretty sure I gave up my soul to music.

I absolutely gave up my soul for music. I said "God? What is my purpose here on this largely putrid ball of goo called Earth?"

And He said: "To go forth and help spread the Almighty Boogey into the nether regions and heretofore unexplored earthly musical places, and to transmit it to all who have ears accordingly!"

And I sayethed back in a righteous, suppliant and respectful manner: "You got a deal Holy Dude!"

And there it is!

Cool -- I'll email you. Your enthusiasm toward the genre is most welcome here. AND... true artists know no borders...

[Kongaudio]

oh hey Xander since were talking about more tradional style music, Japanese, here's that song I was talking about "Instrumental Version"
it's on this guys page I used three of his samples in it.(and damn does he have great samples!) http://www.herman-witkam.com/raw/home.html
at the bottem of the page look for StrangeCat
I am composing Scat Jazz right now(be-bop-shubeedu-wa LOL)
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hi,StrangeCat ,i find come nice samples on there and some music is cool i like those style too ...

[xander]

oh hey Xander since were talking about more tradional style music, Japanese, here's that song I was talking about "Instrumental Version"
it's on this guys page I used three of his samples in it.(and damn does he have great samples!) http://www.herman-witkam.com/raw/home.html
at the bottem of the page look for StrangeCat
I am composing Scat Jazz right now(be-bop-shubeedu-wa LOL)
that Song on that page is basically the kind that comes at the end of Japanese Film in the Traditional Setting(samurai etc)
One of my Favorite Movies right now is House of Flyin Daggers, I know in Japan they call it Lovers though.
ja na
StrangeCat

Hey Cool song! Perfect representation of the genre -- Just as good as any I have heard recently in Japan! Really nice ambient shakuhachi and shamisen!