Because they make their investment back in the theatre run before the DVD (gravy) ever comes out?Ocean Zen wrote:Why do the Star Wars DVDs only cost £15 when they cost mega millions to make?
Okay, then why do tickets only cost $10 when the movies cost mega millions to make?stu.macQ wrote:Because they make their investment back in the theatre run before the DVD (gravy) ever comes out?Ocean Zen wrote:Why do the Star Wars DVDs only cost £15 when they cost mega millions to make?
I don't condone it but I have to admire this nutjob for his audaciousness. 
VOLUME!!Borogove wrote: Okay, then why do tickets only cost $10 when the movies cost mega millions to make?
An obvious way to challenge intellectual property is simply to defy it by reproducing protected works. From the point of view of intellectual property, this is called "piracy." (This is a revealing term, considering that no such language is used when, for example, a boss takes credit for a subordinate's work or when a Third World intellectual is recruited to a First World position (Verzola 1993).) This happens every day when people photocopy copyrighted articles, tape copyrighted music, or duplicate copyrighted software. It is precisely because illegal copying is so easy and so common that big governments and corporations have mounted offensives to promote intellectual property rights.
JohnVulich wrote:As a victim of intellectual property theft I actually have very little sympathy for the Corporate Bastards that run big business. THEY are the real thieves. I've had to sign the rights away to countless creations of mine. This is considered the norm in my industry, and others I'm sure. The one time my (ex) partner and I did try to secure the rights to some of our work it took 5-6 months of negotiation, several thousands of dollars in legal fees and various threats to replace us from the clients we worked for. In all the years since we completed this project I've recieved 2 checks for about $200.00 each! I learned my lesson the hard way.
On another tangent, I wonder how much of the money that the RIAA has recieved, from their lawsuits, has been given back to the Artists they always claim to be defending?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending piracy but I have very little sympathy.
f**k them!
The only people I feel bad for are the Small Developers who might just be a one-man operation. At least they aren't ripping people off.
Against Intellectual Property - by Brian Martin
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An obvious way to challenge intellectual property is simply to defy it by reproducing protected works. From the point of view of intellectual property, this is called "piracy." (This is a revealing term, considering that no such language is used when, for example, a boss takes credit for a subordinate's work or when a Third World intellectual is recruited to a First World position (Verzola 1993).) This happens every day when people photocopy copyrighted articles, tape copyrighted music, or duplicate copyrighted software. It is precisely because illegal copying is so easy and so common that big governments and corporations have mounted offensives to promote intellectual property rights.
Read my statements again. I was very clear in saying that I don't condone theft!_starcraft_ wrote:this is not really about payin a developer cos of his intellectual property (although that might come into it in some cases)...but payin him cos he worked to provide u with something u can't provide yourself and therefore meeets your demand. the quality of his work and the time he put into it might be worth or not the expenditure to you. but u have no right to steal it.
most of the devolpers here are surely against patents.
but that cos its like removing from their hands tools to work. its an entirely different matter. its like removing the common ground we walk on.
surely the guy who wrote that article would be pissed if i just copy/pasted his article and posted on my site and signed it with my name. (he doesnt own that article right? he shouldnt sign it in the first place)or any university student could just hand it in for his next essay?
he doesnt own the text....he don't own own the ideas or the concepts (as i've read the same BS 1000 of times all over forums).....but he surely owns the article(THE WORK).
its like lego....lets say u want a boat.....but all u have is lego pieces everywhere.....and u don't know how to build a boat from lego. a craftman who has learned how to make a boat does it for you and sells it to u. he doesn't own the lego ( the single pieces)....he doesn't own the concept ( the idea of a boat )...but he owns his work and will charge u $$$ for that boat. you are charging him for his work ...not cos he invented the boat....cos he didnt.
your paying for a product (a synth or an effect)....not really cos he invented it ....but cos he made it.
intellectual PROPERTY is another step and a delicate one.
but its nothing to do with having the right to nick other ppls WORK.
Well, like I said, I don't agree with all his points of view but I hardly find his writing to be "retarded"._starcraft_ wrote:well i was answering to that retarded eassay u posted the link to.
I'm glad to see that someone understood the point that I was trying to make.munchkin wrote:As for 'intellectual property theft' whose 'intellectual property' are we talking about here? Isn't John's point that he put a lot of intellectual graft into some work and then some large company 'legitimately' stole it. It boils down to who has the biggest lawyers.
Funny how we are sold the idea that an individuals copyright is so precious yet the legal system we have is set up to steal ideas from the individual/company that originated them in many cases. Corporate theft is considered entreprenurial and legal while individual theft is illegal and vilified. Nice set of double standards!
Here is some interesting information that may help to illustrate some of the points that you made. It's an excerpt from an interview with Ernst Nathorst-Boos, of Propellerhead Software, called Man Of Reason in SOS magazine.munchkin wrote:I don't think it's nice to see anyone selling warez. I want small devs to thrive. But I don't see any statistical info as evidence that warez puts companies out of business. Some devs here, who don't like warez at all, concede that a business model has to has to include a realistic assessment of the potential customer base for a product rather than base a business model on potential sales in a world without warez.
Copy Wrongs
A big issue for any software house these days is software piracy. Companies come up with various ways of combating it, Propellerhead's being one of the least intrusive to the legitimate user. How big a problem is piracy for them? Niels: "It's hard to quantify. It's big, of course. But we're very pleased that so many people choose to do the right thing. We try also, rather than introducing copy protection that frustrates users and yet is instantly crackable, to make service and support easy for the people who have done the right thing and bought the program. We don't want to frustrate them with installation processes that are more convoluted than downloading a pirate version, if you know what I mean. It's almost a punishment with some software products to actually buy them. We really want our users to have an easy life. We try instead to add value to the process of registration. We have a very good registration database, and for our registered users we hope we will make our service much better.
"It's also about having the material that's included with the program. People will want the sounds. We have the Soundbank, that's 500MB, and the new version has the Orkester [24-bit orchestral samples] collection for the NNXT sampler. The sheer size of that will prevent some downloads. We get the occasional post on the board that says: "Oh, I've lost my Soundbank CD, can anyone do me a copy?" I usually write 'Official reply from Propellerhead: Just register your software, and we'll sort you out.' Of course, you never hear back. We can also check, based on the songs that are being posted, whether they've been made using a pirate copy. On our archive, there are no songs made with pirated programs."
"No one really knows what the software issue is all about", adds Ernst. "I can illustrate with a story. I have three children; the oldest is 16. When Napster arrived, he started downloading songs like crazy. And he got to find out about so many new bands that he never heard about, which also meant that he started buying CDs like a lunatic. Then Napster disappeared, and he stopped buying as many records as he used to, because where is his source now? There's the radio, but he's not interested in the music that's played in the radio. And MTV? No! I'm saying that I can understand what the record industry is saying, but I can also show examples of the opposite. I think it's the same thing with software piracy. It is a major problem for us, but no one actually knows the mechanisms behind it. No one knows how many of these people bought the program who wouldn't actually have been your customers otherwise."
Here, here!braj wrote:I also have no sympathy for the big developers that get their software pirated. I also don't condone people selling Warez on eBay either.
I think the intellectual property rights and patent laws need to be rethought. This isn't so big an issue with software that isn't vital to life, but companies like Monsanto are patenting seeds for plants, which has really grim consequences: if your farm gets cross-pollinated or invaded by Monsanto plants and they can prove it, they can seize part or all of your crop as stolen property.
I just think it's time humans re-evaluate lots of things. We're making quite a mess of things if you haven't noticed.
Also, most of the Warez people probably wouldn't buy software anyway, so I'm really not sure to what degree anyone is harmed by their actions. I doubt anyone would make much more money if they dissappeared. Some people say they even help software companies with their unauthorized versions, getting market share and creating a wider userbase. I dunno. People selling it on eBay aren't the crackers, just the real thieves if you ask me.
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