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comatron · Post by **comatron** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:45 pm

Hi yall out there !

I´m just trying and trying to get a real hard and phat guitar-sound outta the guitar rig. I´m coming close to the sound i want - but it´s just not as big and dry like i want it (excuse my english)

Take a listen to a clip including 3 snippets of songs - maybe someone can exachange his bank with me - would be great ...

http://hardcut.rofk.de/beispiel.mp3

I´ll post a snippet of one of my songs here later - so you can checkout if you like my guitar sound. I used 2 RIGS (each a different preset) in SX and played all parts twice to get a good stereo sound.

Can´t await your answers

comatron · Post by **comatron** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:58 pm

here one of my own examples for kinda-nu-metal-sound:

http://hardcut.rofk.de/myexample1.mp3

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:26 pm

That's a pretty good sound. 'Course I'm pretty easy to please so far as heavy sounds!

- m

Hellbilly · Post by **Hellbilly** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:31 pm

Sounds good to me.

Maybe you should doubletrack it and pan them hard right/left for a phatter sound. Maybe even doubletrack it again with a different sound on a lower volume.

I've been having trouble getting descent sound myself from this PC.

Lawnmower Of The Damned · Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:12 pm

What was the first clip supposed to demonstrate? Slipknot are Line 6 endorsers, which means that there's a 99% chance that the clips were recorded with an HD147, as opposed to NI Guitar Rig.

If Slipknot were to use Guitar Rig then that would be a breach of their contract with Line 6. If the first mp3 was supposed to demonstrate the kind of tone you're aiming for, then I would suggest trying some Line 6 amps, as that's what the band playing the clips used.

As for the second clip, the sound was decent. In my opinion the low end was a little unarticulated, and lacked definition and punch. Those are the main complaints I have with Guitar Rig in general, as well.

Still, keep trying. That's one of the better tones I've heard out of Guitar Rig, and with a little more elbow grease, who knows?

Still, if you are aiming for Slipknot's sound, check out some Line 6 stuff.

_oswald · Post by **_oswald** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:23 pm

thornemaelstrom wrote: Still, if you are aiming for Slipknot's sound, check out some Line 6 stuff.

And to find 8 other dudes in suits who play instruments, of which you can only hear 3 of them.

comatron · Post by **comatron** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:59 pm

the first band was "ektomorf" . they play mesa amps as far i heard. but i´m sure they play behringer cabs (read on teh website). - yeah and i panned the 2 guitar tracks hard left and right for a test , but CH1 50% left and CH2 50% right brought best results :-/

i tried some line6 stuff (pod pro and pod xt live) and i wasnt impressed by the recrodings. i mean, to get a slipknot i have to call rick rubin and move to his studio

... but i want a sound in that directory ... hard but dry and heavy ... hard to subscribe ...

maybe one of you guys is workin on such a guitar sound too and we can share presets or chat or stuff - i dont wanna buy hardware - guitar rig is so impressive that i guess, with some hard work ill get a similar sound too - or maybe get close to it.

thanx for all the response so far !

punkrockdude · Post by **punkrockdude** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:08 pm

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... but i want a sound in that directory ... hard but dry and heavy ... hard to subscribe ...
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Is it maybe a very close sound you want? If so, use less distortion and hit the strings harder.

I think a lot distortion makes the sounds mellow/soft in a way which may not suit your needs.

Just some opinions.

Best Regards
Rickard

Lawnmower Of The Damned · Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:51 am

Actually, that's a good point. Often too much drive sounds crappy as opposed to properly utilizing the dynamic range available to you.

As for your panning, if you plan on making a full song out of it (Bass, vocals, etc.) then you may find that 100% left and right will work better. When the stereo field is sparse (Just drums and two guitar tracks) extreme panning tends to sound awful. When the stereo field is full extreme panning can really give some extra definition. Also, by mixing two guitar tracks too close together in a dense stereo field you can get some nasty phasing.

And I respectfully disagree with your opinion about the Pod's sound.

Not that I own a Pod, but the technology is pretty close to that in my Vetta. This stuff can have a steep learning curve, but the tone that comes out of my Vetta brings a smile to my face every night.

comatron · Post by **comatron** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:31 pm

good infos mates ... !! thanx - ill try around and letyou hear !

lsd · Post by **lsd** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:46 pm

Actually don't get the original pod, get the pod II. It has the same technology as the Vetta. The problem with any of these is that if you don't send them to a speaker and "mic" it, you probably won't be happy with the sound. I've recorded alot of bands in the vein your looking for, that is my advice to you. Your sound so far is pretty good. You should borrow a head and cabinet and some 57's and experiment. Mix the computer tracks with the mic'd tracks along with a few "dry" tracks (for definition) until your happy. You definately need to use a few "layered" tracks, like others have already mentioned. Good luck.

comatron · Post by **comatron** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:24 pm

ok here a new mixdown

http://hardcut.rofk.de/new1.mp3

2 guitar tracks (mainly, at one part there is a 3rd)
100 % pan - less distortion

i like it now a lot more !

lemme hear what you think

lsd · Post by **lsd** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:39 pm

Sounds good. I would turn up the harmonies 3db and add a dryer/dirtier distortion track in the middle which is 3db lower than the other distoritions.

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:49 pm

I wouldn't do 100% pan, I'd do 90. Anyways, I dont' sue NIRig, I use Amplitube, but I can tell you that one of the best tricks for getting a really heavy sound is to not crank the gain to 10. It seems like it should work but the sounds get too buzzy. Also, if you can, EQ it to bring the mids out a little as opposed to scooping.
I personally don't DoubleTrack as I find it difficult to get spot on tracks (especially with nu metal, since the pulsing-chugs guitar parts need to be as tight as possible) So I just drop wideboy on my tracks to get a left-right sound. I know it's sort of cheating since it's not usually done but I find that the sound is almost as good and it saves you a lot of frustration.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:56 pm

Buy a mesa boogie and a marshall....plug your guitar into a radial injector ( i think that's what it's called, it sends 1 signal to 7 different places) record the direct signal, the signal from the marshall and the signal from the mesa and then layer them all together. That's how ya get nu-metal.

Seriously though, the example you posted sounded pretty damn good. I think you've done a great job getting the tone with guitar rig.

peace!

PHAT Nu-Metal with GUITAR RIG