Hi !
I was woundering if Rhino can produce standart waveforms of analog synths not by playing ROM but actually generating its own continious waveforms ?
Rhino can work as Analog synth ?
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- KVRAF
- 3476 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from NE Ohio, USA
I don't remember if the standard waveforms were generated or based on single-cycle samples, but you can use it as a standard VA.alexibm wrote:Hi !
I was woundering if Rhino can produce standart waveforms of analog synths not by playing ROM but actually generating its own continious waveforms ?
The "rompler" abilities of Rhino are pretty recent compared to its other features.
Doug
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Alexibm, the additive engine can be used to generate your own wave cycles. The "additive keys" bank demonstrates some of the possibilities.
'Tick
'Tick
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 17 Dec, 2004
Yes !
I downloaded the demo and manual
Very cool synth ! I like it a lot so far ! I like Rhino envelopes a lot ! Somehow it reminds me of Absynth, but what I dont like about absynth is its Gui. Rhino layout is very clean
I downloaded the demo and manual
Very cool synth ! I like it a lot so far ! I like Rhino envelopes a lot ! Somehow it reminds me of Absynth, but what I dont like about absynth is its Gui. Rhino layout is very clean
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- KVRist
- 457 posts since 30 Jun, 2003 from cinci, oh
Alexibm,
Probably the cleanest way to do Analog on Rhino is to select "sine wave" for each of the OSC's, then self-modulate them (the diagonal of the mod matrix). This will give you a saw wave of varying brightness (all the way to white noise if you want!). Run the OSC output thru the both filters where you can offset the cutoffs; Analog 12 or 24 filter type works best for analog sounds.
You can also do PWM, although it takes some work. Same as above, but requires a pair of OSC (must not be detuned) and then select their phase envelop (default is amp env, but there is a drop menu to choose). Offset the phase of one OSC by ~225 degrees or so (you will have to experiment here) and then "modulate" the phase by making a triangle wave form in the phase envelop's sustain portion. Stretch the sustain portion to get the desired "LFO rate".
I realize this is tough to follow; perhaps Tick has an illustrated PWM tutorial on his web site.
Probably the cleanest way to do Analog on Rhino is to select "sine wave" for each of the OSC's, then self-modulate them (the diagonal of the mod matrix). This will give you a saw wave of varying brightness (all the way to white noise if you want!). Run the OSC output thru the both filters where you can offset the cutoffs; Analog 12 or 24 filter type works best for analog sounds.
You can also do PWM, although it takes some work. Same as above, but requires a pair of OSC (must not be detuned) and then select their phase envelop (default is amp env, but there is a drop menu to choose). Offset the phase of one OSC by ~225 degrees or so (you will have to experiment here) and then "modulate" the phase by making a triangle wave form in the phase envelop's sustain portion. Stretch the sustain portion to get the desired "LFO rate".
I realize this is tough to follow; perhaps Tick has an illustrated PWM tutorial on his web site.
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- KVRist
- 273 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from US
If you use a sine wave to modulate itself (FM) the amplitude of the osc will vary the wave. If an osc has a slow attack the sound will get brighter until the highest point in the envelope is reached. This may not be the best way to emulate analog but it adds many great possibilities!
Another nice trick is to start with a single-cycle waveform and modulate it with the waveshapers. The amount of this mod can be controlled with velocity, an envelope, etc.. This is the allure of Rhino; it works well in so many ways.
Another nice trick is to start with a single-cycle waveform and modulate it with the waveshapers. The amount of this mod can be controlled with velocity, an envelope, etc.. This is the allure of Rhino; it works well in so many ways.
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- KVRist
- 457 posts since 30 Jun, 2003 from cinci, oh
Really? The self-feedback modulation is linked to the amp env? That seems counter intuitive, but thanks for pointing out that "feature" !!
I do not believe the DX7's "feedback" was linked to the EG's in this way; but I am probably wrong.
I do not believe the DX7's "feedback" was linked to the EG's in this way; but I am probably wrong.
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
When osc B FM-modulates osc A, the amount of FM is given by B -including its amp env. This is a desirable feature (since B amp env is then the easiest way to control the amount of FM over time).
In the special case where B=A, you have self-feedback but the rule above still applies. So it's not that counter-intuitive after all
'Tick
In the special case where B=A, you have self-feedback but the rule above still applies. So it's not that counter-intuitive after all
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 192 posts since 24 Feb, 2005 from Lisbon, Portugal
Me too. I'm tempted to buy this synth, it has lot of character, and can fill the existent gap on my synths arsenal. I also found the GUI pretty intuitive and easy for the eyes (not like FM7).Also, i agree with you about Absynth, it sounds great, great features but the GUI just doesnt work with me.alexibm wrote:Yes !
I downloaded the demo and manual
Very cool synth ! I like it a lot so far ! I like Rhino envelopes a lot ! Somehow it reminds me of Absynth, but what I dont like about absynth is its Gui. Rhino layout is very clean
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- KVRist
- 192 posts since 24 Feb, 2005 from Lisbon, Portugal
I forget to make a question:
Can Rhino replace Absynth? I don't want to kwow which is better, i just want to know if they do more or less the same. I know Rhino is more of a FM synth with other hybrid capabilities, and Absynth is an hybrid synth with some FM capabilities...What's your opinion ?
Can Rhino replace Absynth? I don't want to kwow which is better, i just want to know if they do more or less the same. I know Rhino is more of a FM synth with other hybrid capabilities, and Absynth is an hybrid synth with some FM capabilities...What's your opinion ?
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Daniel did a recreation of one of the default Absynth presets ("Seagulls") in the last Electroloops2 banks. I like the Rhino version better, but then again, I may not be objective.
'Tick
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 273 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from US
IMHO, Rhino can replace much of what AbSynth does, although the two are very different.
Absynth 1 was my first purchased vsti; then the Rhino beta was released. To me, Rhino was easier to work with, especially in the envelopes since they were in nice grids and not floating on a black screen.
Now, the two have evolved apart and fill different needs. You can get a good idea of what's possible by going to: http://bigtick.pastnotecut.org/djsmaurer/ or: http://bigtick.pastnotecut.org/index.ph ... &pcode=140 where you'll find mp3 demos of many sounds. Then, decide!
Absynth 1 was my first purchased vsti; then the Rhino beta was released. To me, Rhino was easier to work with, especially in the envelopes since they were in nice grids and not floating on a black screen.
Now, the two have evolved apart and fill different needs. You can get a good idea of what's possible by going to: http://bigtick.pastnotecut.org/djsmaurer/ or: http://bigtick.pastnotecut.org/index.ph ... &pcode=140 where you'll find mp3 demos of many sounds. Then, decide!
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- KVRist
- 192 posts since 24 Feb, 2005 from Lisbon, Portugal
Thanks for the answers. I liked the demo songs btw, it's a good demonstration of Rhino's verstatility! I've also found it much easier to work with Rhino's envelopes, i felt confortable.