Nine Inch Nails: Recording 'With Teeth'

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

Trent isn't bashing people using Reaktor and Fruity Loops. He goes on in great length about how much he LOVES Reaktor. Also, if you bothered to read the article then you would have seen the part where he commented that back in the day he spent everything he had to buy an Emax, and now anyone can get much better synths for much less money.

I also think that you guys are misrepresenting the bit about more musicians having access to better tools. He was saying that as a result of more people playing, there is more crap out there. This is completely true. Every month I show my non-musician friends some entries for the monthly contests here on KVR and they laugh their asses off at a lot of the entries. Yet, these songs are made with the same softsynths that Trent uses in the studio.

I don't have any pretensions about my own music. It sucks, and most people wouldn't like it. It's very personal and special to me, but that's about it. Most of the stuff I hear on KVR is the same (With a few very noteworthy exceptions) and I think it's important to realize that much like an ugly child, we love our own music anyway no matter how much it horrifies our neighbors.

We listen to music with an ear for things that non-musicians just don't hear. As such, sometimes we end up liking things that others just can't stand. Have you ever had someone make you read their shitty poetry and then say that you really loved it because you were afraid of hurting their feelings? When we show our musician-oriented music to non-musicians I think that it is very much the same. My girlfriend and friends always tell me that they really enjoy my music, but I think that it's more out of politeness than actually liking it.

Trent Reznor doesn't write musician oriented music. He writes music that anyone can enjoy, which can sometimes alienates those of us who write musician oriented music. I think what hurts us the most is that we post our music where only other musicians can hear it, and we come under the impression that you guys like our stuff, so it must be great.

That's not to say that I hate all of the music on KVR. Sickle for instance, I've heard some of your stuff and even though it's not my style, I do enjoy some of the textures, and I think you have a real talent for getting great synth sounds out of Reaktor. There are many similar comments I can make about many of you guys (And gals), but that isn't what the non-music-making public is looking for in a song. They are usually looking for catchy rhythms, hooks, and a certain theatrical element to the presentation.

I'm sure I'm going to get the living shit flamed out of me for that, but I think it's true. Flame all you want, but remember that I don't think I'm better than any of you. On KVR we all suck equally.

[apflaum]

<edit> sorry i didnt read your full post. I agree.

[LBN]

"Nine inch nail? HAH! More like four inch nail." -Courtney Love on the Howard Stern show

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

To defend a MUCH earlier post of mine, i was making fun of Trent's studio butt buddy from a strictly computer music stand point. Obviously you dont need a studio and all this hardware. Obviously he relies heavily on computers, and has a lot of hardware cause its a fun little game, and there would be no reason to own some ridiculous studio like his.

I think you are confused. Atticus is not the assistant engineer, he is collaborating on the album. As a collaborator I think it's quite normal to put him in such a creative position. The assistant engineer is the fellow who was plugging in guitars and what-not, and this is EXACTLY what their job is. They don't do mixing, they don't produce, they aren't a cook or a writer.

The assistant engineer's job is to set up microphones, plug in cables and just generally get the equipment in order. After putting in your time as an assistant engineer you usually move on to being a full-fledged audio engineer and you will tell the assistant engineer how to set things up.

Apparently Trent is acting as his own audio engineer on this tracking session. Cool on him for it, most musicians would rather be snorting coke and f**king groupies than setting up audio chains.

Also, I happen to have some of the hardware Trent has (No, I bought it before I knew Trent had it) and I can tell you that this stuff is great. Also, don't over-simplify and make it sound like he doesn't use the hardware at all. In the article he used a few stomp boxers and two amps, which is not rediculous or just a bunch of toys.

I don't subscribe to your belief that software can do everything. Not yet anyway. Right now there are still some very good reasons to have high-quality hardware around, and it's going to be a little while before that changes.

And for the record, Trent's studio is not absurd, and I would happily kill someone to be able to make an album in it.

If you read the article, you see him loading up battery in logic and doing the drums in that. Now for a man who has endless time and money to devote completly to music, and has all the equipment necessary, why would he not just sit down on the giant screen and do his own damn battery tracks, instead of having some bitch do it for him. That is honestly what I would do. Most people on here have full time jobs working 40-60 hrs a week, and also a lot of people go to school aside from that. WE find the little time neccessary to do this, geez. And it does seem more creative in the long run, to actually sit down and play around with stuff. Everyone is constantly learning new software, and this guy is just gonna miss out on it cause it seems he is too lazy to.

As I said, Atticus is collaborating on the album. As such I think it's obvious why he is the one who is cutting the loops instead of Trent. Obviously Trent has sat down and learned some of the synths, but with a collection the size of his it would indeed be damn near impossible to sit down and learn everything about every single one of them.

Plus he drives an SUV, jesus, SUV.

All right, you win on that one. I honestly cannot and will not defend his decision to drive one of those stupid f**king things.

Why do I call him out of touch? because as he barks away orders, he refers to stuff as "that native instruments vokator thingy" Obviously anyone whoever sat down with a program and used it would not refer to it as that.

I was under the impression that he was referring to a specific patch in Vokator that they had made, as opposed to the plugin itself.

Also, you continue to be confused about Atticus and the assistant engineer. They aren't the same person, and Atticus is hardly being ordered around. Atticus loaded it up, which might I add, was probably not so incredibly difficult or dangerous that he would need to take out a life insurance pollicy on himself before doing so. Nor do I think that loading a plugin makes someone a better musician. I was always under the impression that it's what you did with the plugin once it was loaded that made you great.

[Sicklecell666]

I'm glad I told him to f**k off when I met him despite loving his early stuff.

:O

lol.. when was this, and how come you told him off?

Brian Warner(Manson) introduced us one night hanging out in a club way back like in '92 when they were doing Manson's first album at a Miami beach studio. I was the same dickhead I am now or worse, and he patronised me by saying that if he ever got tattooed he would have me do it because of what I had done on Manson, so I did the only respectable thing I could think of & told him to go f**k himself to his face & walked off..

[Sicklecell666]

Every month I show my non-musician friends some entries for the monthly contests here on KVR and they laugh their asses off at a lot of the entries.

I'm sure I'm going to get the living shit flamed out of me for that, but I think it's true. Flame all you want, but remember that I don't think I'm better than any of you. On KVR we all suck equally.

wow. That's good to know..So everyone here sucks, is that it? You wanna tell us why the f**k you're here listening to all this shitty music we make? For laughs?

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

"Nine inch nail? HAH! More like four inch nail." -Courtney Love on the Howard Stern show

Ah Courtney Love, as classy as she is beautiful. Was she actually injecting heroin into an artery as she said this, or was she able to wait until there were children present?

It's good to know that Courtney is still around to vomit up such words of wisdom, much like she has vomited so many condoms full of high quality columbian blow.

Still, you can tell exactly how bad Trent's drug problem was that he actually allowed that disgusting whore anywhere near him. You could save yourself the shame of being seen in public with Courtney and just go pick up chicks at a VD clinic if you are aiming to get herpies.

[mwa]

that's pretty neat sickle. and you know manson too?

but how exactly was what he said patronising? i'm guessing more the way that he said it than what he actually said?

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

Every month I show my non-musician friends some entries for the monthly contests here on KVR and they laugh their asses off at a lot of the entries.

I'm sure I'm going to get the living shit flamed out of me for that, but I think it's true. Flame all you want, but remember that I don't think I'm better than any of you. On KVR we all suck equally.

wow. That's good to know..So everyone here sucks, is that it? You wanna tell us why the f**k you're here listening to all this shitty music we make? For laughs?

I dunno, perhaps I'm secretly a massiochist or something.

As I said, I think that as musicians we hear music differently than non-musicians. We like music that is experimental and thought provoking. Non-musicians want something that isn't too heavy on substance and is catchy.

Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly enough that I meant non-musicians in general aren't big fans of experimental music, and not that I personally hate all of the music here. I'm sure you caught the part where I even singled you out as being a good example of some of the better stuff on KVR that non-musicians probably would be into as much as we are.

Plus, I figured my self deprecation would make the point that I'm not condescending to anyone. And the last line of the post you quoted was of course meant as a joke.

[rollasoc]

I'm sure I'm going to get the living shit flamed out of me for that, but I think it's true. Flame all you want, but remember that I don't think I'm better than any of you. On KVR we all suck equally.

Nope, that probably the best, most honest message I've read on here in a long while.

Rollasoc

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

Sickle, would those have been the tat's he had on the album work for Portrait of an American Family? If so, those were pretty cool.

Oh great, now Sick is going to tell me to f**k off...

[Sicklecell666]

yep. Back when I was first starting off(tattooing), we were pretty good friends, but that ended when he hit the big time, of course..

Didn't see your comment singling me out about anything, so carry on I guess, these f**kers can defend themselves..

[digitaldoom]

Or maybe it's guilt by association because of of a fight I almost got into with that stupid arrogant prick Danny Lohner in a bar here in LA.

Alot of KVR'ers seem to feel the need to physically hurt Trent or any of his minions. I've read also that previous band members (including Chris V.) seem to feel the same way about Trent.

Why is Danny Lohner a prick that deserves his ass kicked?

[mwa]

wow.. those tattoos are awesome! so what's he really like anyway? manson, i mean. i've read some interviews where he sounds like a pretty down to earth, level-headed guy who puts on a crazy act, to some other things where he seems that he's a pretty strange guy all the time.

[Sicklecell666]

A pretty cool down to earth guy back then, but I'm in no position to describe him now as we haven't spoken in about 5 years or so..He helped me kick off my reputation as an artist alot and back then those tattoos made a serious impression when he was onstage, believe me..so we boosted each other pretty much. I did each of those tattoos for $50 and a six pack of Heinekin..I was like 19 at the time..