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Apparition · Post by **Apparition** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:41 am

for a decent r&b or pop singer...i could find a rapper in a heartbeat who even knows how to record himself, but singers are few and far between. Why is that?

intel · Post by **intel** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:53 am

because singing is harder than talking.

funked · Post by **funked** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:59 am

Left Headphone · Post by **Left Headphone** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:13 am

intel wrote:because singing is harder than talking.

Not totally true... You use more throat muscles talking than singings. So, physically its harder to talk.

You can learn how sing. Take a few Voice Classes....

Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:12 am

v-12 wrote:Not totally true... You use more throat muscles talking than singings. So, physically its harder to talk.

Disagree.

We talk every day. We talk to communicate, whether a job interview, an order for a pizza, the President giving the order to launch the bomb, or your mother giving you accolades for a job well done at school.

Try singing your way through life in ordinary conversation, controlling your pitch and sibilance in every word you speak, making sure that you're "in key" to the sounds that surround you.

If talking is physically harder than singing, why don't you have an abundance of "talking coaches" instead of singing coaches?

On top of that, not all people can sing, no matter how many classes they take, and no matter how hard they try. Some people are naturally tone deaf. This isn't meant to be derogatory or condescending to those that can't judge pitch. It's just a fact that some people can't. But they can still talk with the greatest of ease and clarity.

Try speaking in falsetto for one full day and see how your neck and throat muscles feel. Falsetto is nothing more than speaking in a controlled high pitch.

And since singing IS nothing but talking with controlled cadence and pitch, I don't understand how you came about your theory that talking is more difficult than singing.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:16 am

rapping is more difficult than both talking and singing
and I have no idea why nobody is paying attention to the original posters post

Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:22 am

Because the original post says
"...i could find a rapper in a heartbeat who even knows how to record himself, but singers are few and far between."

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:24 am

my point exactly. what is he talking about, someone recording themself has nothing to do with the rest of the thread, I'd like some clarification on if he's talking about rapping, talking, and singing versus each other cause I don't think he is.

funked · Post by **funked** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:32 am

no he's not..

He's asking why there are more rappers than singers.

Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:36 am

I'll agree that the post could be clarified a bit more. I read it as "why is it so hard to find a decent R&b or Pop singer, but I can find Rapers all day long?"

Just the way I read the orig. post . . .

intel · Post by **intel** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:38 am

and rapping is talking with pentameter. with or without creative emphasis (depending on the skill level of the "rapper").

intel · Post by **intel** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:43 am

ok. to take the original post at face value "why are there more rappers than singers?"

there aren't. period. even I've attempted singing a few times*. if you're looking for a specific style of singer, perhaps you will find that style in less demand (or greater need) than another style. but overall there are more singers than rappers.

the biggest problem with rapping is that it is essentially nothing more than talking at the correct speed with the correct flow. so tons of people think they can do it. unfortunately only 10% of the "underground" (or as I call it "independent") rappers that I've heard are worth a shit and can legitimately pull off what they are attempting. even still, this is a better percentage than practically any other genre out there. and I've heard A LOT of indie music in my days.

*hell... even I've attempted to rap a few times. but you'll NEVER hear it.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:49 am

Landphil wrote: Try singing your way through life in ordinary conversation, controlling your pitch and sibilance in every word you speak, making sure that you're "in key" to the sounds that surround you.

uhm, there are languages which are partly 'sung' (chinese for example) - also in some languages tones are produced which aren't easily producable if you havent't learned them during childhood (e.g. african/arabic/german guttural tones - you probably would have a hard time saying 'wachgemacht' without practising at least for several months)

intel · Post by **intel** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:59 am

I don't think that's applicable since Chinese people and German people speaking English almost never speak it without a discernable accent. so to allude that speaking some language tones are harder than others - and therefore require a more advanced vocal ability - is poppycock. you would probably have a hard time saying disenfranchisement without practising it for several months.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:08 am

intel wrote:I don't think that's applicable since Chinese people and German people speaking English almost never speak it without a discernable accent. so to allude that speaking some language tones are harder than others - and therefore require a more advanced vocal ability - is poppycock. you would probably have a hard time saying disenfranchisement without practising it for several months.

where did I say it's harder?

Please quote me or stfu!

What does a person have to do..