What does a person have to do..

[jens]

or in other words: congratulations - you entirely missed my point!

[Landphil]

I'll agree with the pitch inflections of some languages as almost being singing, but when you hear the songs written in these languages, there's still an amount of control that takes it above speaking.

[jens]

I'll agree with the pitch inflections of some languages as almost being singing, but when you hear the songs written in these languages, there's still an amount of control that takes it above speaking.

it's just different I think...

b.t.w.: the chinese themselves have sometimes problems with speaking/hearing the right tone so that e.g. customers sometimes end up in the wrong department of a store when they're asking a shop-assistant for certain things... shock:

[Landphil]

Yea, the pitch used in Chinese language fascinates me. I guess it might be analogous to the English To, Too, Two.

But my on topic(?) answer is, because singing a melody, known to exist in Pop and R&B, is a bitch!

Final answer... Pitch is a bitch!

[UltraJv]

for a decent r&b or pop singer...i could find a rapper in a heartbeat who even knows how to record himself, but singers are few and far between. Why is that?

I think you will find that its related to how much you are willing to pay. Professional vocalists dont come cheap.

[freeztar]

in some languages tones are produced which aren't easily producable if you havent't learned them during childhood

This is partly true, I would add that it applies to all languages.
I studied a bit of psycholinguistics in college.
As a child, you learn the tones necessary for your comprehension of whatever language you are hearing. That is why most native Japanese speakers cannot say "la la la" without saying "ra ra ra". The interesting thing is that the tonal differences are much more an attribute of perception as opposed to reproduction.

[jens]

I don't think that's applicable since Chinese people and German people speaking English almost never speak it without a discernable accent. so to allude that speaking some language tones are harder than others - and therefore require a more advanced vocal ability - is poppycock. you would probably have a hard time saying disenfranchisement without practising it for several months.

where did I say it's harder?

Please quote me or stfu!

b.t.w.:

disenfranchisement

[jens]

in some languages tones are produced which aren't easily producable if you havent't learned them during childhood

This is partly true, I would add that it applies to all languages.
I studied a bit of psycholinguistics in college.
As a child, you learn the tones necessary for your comprehension of whatever language you are hearing. That is why most native Japanese speakers cannot say "la la la" without saying "ra ra ra".

yes, that's exactly what I meant - speaking is so hard to learn you usually need to start it at an early age to get it right...

[Landphil]

b.t.w.:disenfranchisement

OK... next test...

Disestablishmentarianism

[jens]

b.t.w.:disenfranchisement

OK... next test...

Disestablishmentarianism

disestablishmentarianism

[CypherOne]

[himt] Germans often have difficulty with the English pronunciation of the letter W...

[Kriminal]

[himt] Germans often have difficulty with the English pronunciation of the letter W...

Hint?

[Kriminal]

next test:

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch







http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrn ... och.co.uk/

[jens]

next test:

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch







http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrn ... och.co.uk/

I can't pronounce any celtic word correctly

(and you neither I suppose )

[Landphil]

Sorry, Jens.. didn't mean to start a third degree!