KVR Audio

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:16 pm

Kingston wrote: I hope the god you're joking.

nope.

I hope you do realise these presets will have little or nothing to do with their analog counterparts.

To my ears it's obviously not static convolution or static convolution only,there's obviously something else going on with this plug.This is the closest thing Iv'e heard to the hardware counterparts so far sans UAD's Pultec or GM's plugin for those particular Emu's,and I haven't heard/tried the URS or Hydratone yet.

Anyone who actually bought this surely deserved to be ripped off.

Apart from the presets,have you tried it with a quality hardware EQ to do any A/B comparisons? Not a/b'ing the presets but capturing your hardware and comparing the captured signal to your hardware? Maybe anyone who bought it payed too much for a plugin period and it is an awkward way to go about EQ'ing a mix(another reason I won't buy it) but the sound is there to my ears.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:44 pm

I'm 99,999999% sure Waves Qclone is static convolution and thuss, a total rip-off. I'll give it a demo maybe and compare to the sintefex (which is dynamic convolution) and we'll see but I'm extremely sceptical. It's not the first time waves says one of their products is revolutionary when in fact it is not.

Actually, it's very easy to find out of it's dynamic or linear, just run single sample impulse trough it or some sine waves at varying levels. Should be easy to figure out. The 'pseudo' effect is strong because of waves successful marketing department.

- bManic

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:25 pm

bmanic wrote: Actually, it's very easy to find out of it's dynamic or linear, just run single sample impulse trough it or some sine waves at varying levels.

I tried that and it sounded just as crappy as static convolution attempts at sampling EQ(phasing problems etc.).Maybe it is static,but there's definitley something else going on as well and it mainly has to do with whatever sweeps their using or whatever,I'm not sure,but it got my hardware closer than anything Iv'e tried thus far(the real test).The problem is trying to EQ with the thing by choosing curves,if you change your mind later in the mix you have to resample your hardware or try and sample every possible curve ahead of time and EQ by choosing presets curves.I'm no big fan of Waves here(at all really) but I'll give credit where it's due.If the thing had adjustable knobs like Sintefex I might be defending PACE at the moment.

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:59 pm

JeffSanders wrote:I just want to demo this thing. All these Mac users can't be wrong.

It's hard to believe the Hydratone can compare with the Pultec or any of the Voxengo or Sonalksis EQ's.

But I hear nothing but praise for the thing. I dunno if it's the Lemming Effect (people are indeed like sheep and few have their own opinions)... but honestly, Kingston is the only person in existance who isn't spewing chowder over it.

kingston's answer was about waves q-clone not hydratone.

JeffSanders · Post by **JeffSanders** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:18 pm

Yes, defjamm. I'm talking about this:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... e&start=75

Honestly, I'd like to hear someone else who's just not floored by this...seems everyone is just stoked about it. We'll see friday

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:03 pm

brainwashed zombies

on friday you can decide for yourself

JeffSanders · Post by **JeffSanders** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:40 pm

Yep

I'm looking forward to it.

orangesuite · Post by **orangesuite** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:20 pm

Have to admit, I'm not overtly impressed with the plug. Ive been going through all the major plugs including the Sonalksis and well, I think I'll stick to Equium and Firium. Just my opinion but I can't really see what all the fuss is about.

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:59 pm

then you're going to have your ears checked

discretemachine · Post by **discretemachine** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:02 pm

umm....I was going to testdrive the demo today, but I have to install the Pluggo runtime installer ?

Why ? What does it do ? is this like an extra wrapper for the Tritone plugs ?

cheers
d

orangesuite · Post by **orangesuite** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:47 pm

not trying to aggravate you but could you explain why these are held in such high regard?

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:05 pm

In A/B listening test can one distinguish Hydratone from the modelled hardware @ 96Khz?

Musicmad · Post by **Musicmad** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:35 pm

You guys are missing the point of QClone somewhat. It's main use is realtime capturing and applying of your favorite hardware gear. Say you have a nice hardware EQ. Patch it into an aux loop and insert the QClone capturing part. Now it repeatedly gets an IR from your hardware which can then be convoluted onto another channel in your mix. This way you can use one hardware EQ on multiple channels at the same time.

Just thought I'd mention that.

cron · Post by **cron** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:40 pm

discretemachine wrote:umm....I was going to testdrive the demo today, but I have to install the Pluggo runtime installer ?

Why ? What does it do ? is this like an extra wrapper for the Tritone plugs ?

cheers
d

The Pluggo runtime allows you to use VSTs built in Cycling 74's Max/MSP program, AFAIK.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:26 pm

electro wrote:In A/B listening test can one distinguish Hydratone from the modelled hardware @ 96Khz?

Of course. It's only in the ballpark. and it's certainly not the best thing since sliced bread like so many hypesters want you to believe.

Hydratone PC?