anyway...
major label says no to putte,world says stuff em putte you can do better!
a major label about me and my music ..
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- addled muppet weed
- 111306 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRian
- 1178 posts since 24 Jan, 2003 from the hilly bit in Lincs, UK
Puttzenarbeit,
Sad story there... you deserve a lot better than that rubbish, topmodernblokenmeinschaft that you are.
We say in Englischersprechen that the cream always rises to the top.
I don't know why I mention that.
Perhaps I need to buy milk.
Anyway, all good things to you!
(and as for singing in German, ir didn't do Scorpions any harm not to. That "Winds of Change" - brilliant!)
Sad story there... you deserve a lot better than that rubbish, topmodernblokenmeinschaft that you are.
We say in Englischersprechen that the cream always rises to the top.
I don't know why I mention that.
Perhaps I need to buy milk.
Anyway, all good things to you!
(and as for singing in German, ir didn't do Scorpions any harm not to. That "Winds of Change" - brilliant!)
Mild-mannered web designer by day - tired web designer by night.
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- KVRian
- 1178 posts since 24 Jan, 2003 from the hilly bit in Lincs, UK
<hears sound of giffers scurrying for Die Hard photos>
Mild-mannered web designer by day - tired web designer by night.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111306 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
Gargoyle wrote:<hears sound of giffers scurrying for Die Hard photos>
hehe,no it just reminded me of some stuff putte played me when i was at his place.i beleive it was the guy who voiceovers in german for bruce willis,his solo album of german spoken word stuff.didnt understand a word but it was funny as hell cos i was mashed and never before realised that voiceover guys would ever become famous hehe
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- KVRian
- 1178 posts since 24 Jan, 2003 from the hilly bit in Lincs, UK
Ah, Das Voischen fur die Ballen, type-thingy?
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
you know how it is with uptight bitches.. if you f**k them you have to be all "oh please, miss" so you can get in and then you show them who da man is!!!
(meanwhile they make another $200k so the fake orgasm was entirely worth it, but those first plays.. well, a girl's gotta have her standards so you know she's class)
(meanwhile they make another $200k so the fake orgasm was entirely worth it, but those first plays.. well, a girl's gotta have her standards so you know she's class)
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRAF
- 6496 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from Frederick, MD
Putte, sounds like you've had a lucky escape to me. It's not the big labels that turn you down that are scary, it's the ones that want to sign you up.
Gargoyle said that the cream always rises to the top, but in the music business, as in politics, it's usually the scum that rises. And that's the situation we have now. Large corporations with their eyes solely on the bottom-line rule the music industry like some organized crime cartel. They don't care a donkey's ass about artists or about music. They only care about sales in very large numbers. We artists are grist to their mill. They grind us up, spit us out and move on to the next unfortunate want-to-be with stars in their eyes.
So you have to set your goals and really know what you're after. Stardom and fame? If that's what you really want, then better learn to be a music whore and play the game by their rules (and be prepared to fall hard). Or do you want to produce music you are proud of? In that case, seek out ways of promoting it yourself or with people who are in it for the music.
The modern music industry was started by small independent labels owned by music lovers doing it for the pleasure of promoting the sounds they loved. They were outsiders. Are there any of them left? Sure, but they're even more outside now.
A larger percent of a small total number of sales is often more take home money than a tiny percent of a large number of sales, minus all the big expenses the labels pile on their artists's backs.
What we really need are musician cooperatives. Record labels owned and operated by the musicians signed to the label and business/marketing people who are music lovers motivated by the art, not the money. You probably would never be able to sell 250,000 copies of any one CD, but you would be able to limit production costs and give the band members a larger take percent of what does sell. Pooling resources would also aid in finding your audience and arranging live performances--and live performance is always more profitable than record sales.
Oops, I'm ranting. Sorry.
Peace, and best wishes.
Gargoyle said that the cream always rises to the top, but in the music business, as in politics, it's usually the scum that rises. And that's the situation we have now. Large corporations with their eyes solely on the bottom-line rule the music industry like some organized crime cartel. They don't care a donkey's ass about artists or about music. They only care about sales in very large numbers. We artists are grist to their mill. They grind us up, spit us out and move on to the next unfortunate want-to-be with stars in their eyes.
So you have to set your goals and really know what you're after. Stardom and fame? If that's what you really want, then better learn to be a music whore and play the game by their rules (and be prepared to fall hard). Or do you want to produce music you are proud of? In that case, seek out ways of promoting it yourself or with people who are in it for the music.
The modern music industry was started by small independent labels owned by music lovers doing it for the pleasure of promoting the sounds they loved. They were outsiders. Are there any of them left? Sure, but they're even more outside now.
A larger percent of a small total number of sales is often more take home money than a tiny percent of a large number of sales, minus all the big expenses the labels pile on their artists's backs.
What we really need are musician cooperatives. Record labels owned and operated by the musicians signed to the label and business/marketing people who are music lovers motivated by the art, not the money. You probably would never be able to sell 250,000 copies of any one CD, but you would be able to limit production costs and give the band members a larger take percent of what does sell. Pooling resources would also aid in finding your audience and arranging live performances--and live performance is always more profitable than record sales.
Oops, I'm ranting. Sorry.
Peace, and best wishes.
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- KVRian
- 1178 posts since 24 Jan, 2003 from the hilly bit in Lincs, UK
I just needed to get some milk 
Mild-mannered web designer by day - tired web designer by night.
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- KVRian
- 1178 posts since 24 Jan, 2003 from the hilly bit in Lincs, UK
Seriously, though, I still do believe that one way or another the cream does rise to the top, but I don't view the "top" using the same measures of money and status as many people do.
At the end of the day, putte is a top bloke and topmodern musician regardless of anything else.
I agree though, a different model/path/structure/dynamic is needed.
At the end of the day, putte is a top bloke and topmodern musician regardless of anything else.
I agree though, a different model/path/structure/dynamic is needed.
Mild-mannered web designer by day - tired web designer by night.
.. am i really THAT crazy? 
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- TopModernGeezer
- Topic Starter
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
Atleast you got German as a alternate language Putte. I often wondered if I could only sing in french, I'd be up there with Jean Leloup and Les Rita Mitsouko? 
But as you say, the whole industry is screwed these days. Majors aren't concerned with 500 CD's, or 5000, or even 50,000. 5 Million is their going minimum these days it seems. And no one really can predict it - and even worse, no one wants to risk it. 
I think back to when Decca wouldn't sign The Beatles because they felt the group was 'flash in the pan, good for two more hits...' etc. Thankfully EMI took 'the risk', and it paid off immensely for them and the group and all of us that enjoy The Beatles still to this day.
Now if The Beatles were to come out today doing ammicable modern pop ala Matchbox 20 or The Wallflowers - would EMI give them that same chance? I figured even EMI would slag them off worse than Decca did 40 years ago.
And probably told to brush on their german and play the caverns a little longer till a A&R person swings by to check them out....
You'll make it Putte, don't you worry!
Just remember to laugh at those that laughed at you in the first place when they realise what they really missed out on by not taking that risk.
Promise of a risk is much more profitable than a risk of a promise.
But as you say, the whole industry is screwed these days. Majors aren't concerned with 500 CD's, or 5000, or even 50,000. 5 Million is their going minimum these days it seems. And no one really can predict it - and even worse, no one wants to risk it. I think back to when Decca wouldn't sign The Beatles because they felt the group was 'flash in the pan, good for two more hits...' etc. Thankfully EMI took 'the risk', and it paid off immensely for them and the group and all of us that enjoy The Beatles still to this day.
Now if The Beatles were to come out today doing ammicable modern pop ala Matchbox 20 or The Wallflowers - would EMI give them that same chance? I figured even EMI would slag them off worse than Decca did 40 years ago.
And probably told to brush on their german and play the caverns a little longer till a A&R person swings by to check them out....
You'll make it Putte, don't you worry!
Just remember to laugh at those that laughed at you in the first place when they realise what they really missed out on by not taking that risk.
Promise of a risk is much more profitable than a risk of a promise.
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- jaaathmaster
- 2690 posts since 1 Jun, 2001 from Marlow, S. Bucks, UK
Indeedseldom wrote:where i come from, major labels aren't probably quite as influential as they are overseas... but i find it disheartening that someone who is such a good musician has to go to such an awful thing as a major label to get the money they need to live and be what they are. does it have to be this way? ah, who knows. i hope you get what you deserve putte sir, that is - a good deal, a decent living and the ability to keep hold of your creativity.
If they can't see your potential, screw em
Music with dinner is an insult both to the cook and the violinist.
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
"..yesterday. today, and forever! jesus christ amen"Steven West wrote:enjoy The Beatles still to this day.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.