KVR Audio

DiGGi-DaNGa · Post by **DiGGi-DaNGa** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:04 am

Hey I just installed Windows XP 64-Bit on one of my hard drives, and installed Cubase and reason on it. They installed ok, but when I run cubase or reason on it, it doesnt work. Cubase gives error, doesnt even load up, same with reason. I have Cubase SX, and Reason 2.5. Any ideas?

John-Paul · Post by **John-Paul** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:22 am

download the Sonar 64-bit beta and install that instead!

http://www.cakewalk.com/x64/

sergef50 · Post by **sergef50** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:51 am

theres a problem with the Cubase Syncrosoft Drivers...they dont work in 64bit, unless you get the brand new updated ones from www.syncrosoft.com they also come with Sx3.02 which Sx are you running?

stag · Post by **stag** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:50 am

John-Paul wrote:download the Sonar 64-bit beta and install that instead!

http://www.cakewalk.com/x64/

Why???

your sound card has already 64 bit drivers ,init???

HHaynes · Post by **HHaynes** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:59 am

You need to latest Syncrosoft drivers.

John-Paul · Post by **John-Paul** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:04 am

stag wrote:
John-Paul wrote:download the Sonar 64-bit beta and install that instead!

http://www.cakewalk.com/x64/

Why???

your sound card has already 64 bit drivers ,init???

I was just getting at the fact that Cakewalk is developing a TRUE 64-bit version of Sonar. I'd pretty much guarantee that Cubase will not function properly under Windows XP 64-bit as it wasn't designed for the architecture of this OS.

stag · Post by **stag** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:18 am

Thank you JP.
I guess i was just misinformed.
Thank god there always be S4 to come to the rescue of us SX3 user dummies.

griels · Post by **griels** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:31 am

John-Paul wrote:
stag wrote:
John-Paul wrote:download the Sonar 64-bit beta and install that instead!

http://www.cakewalk.com/x64/

Why???

your sound card has already 64 bit drivers ,init???
I was just getting at the fact that Cakewalk is developing a TRUE 64-bit version of Sonar. I'd pretty much guarantee that Cubase will not function properly under Windows XP 64-bit as it wasn't designed for the architecture of this OS.

Steinberg claimed differently when SX3 was released, in fact. With up to date drivers, it should run under XP64, albeit in 32-bit mode. It should also be able to address 4GB of RAM instead of a mere 2.

For it to work completely in 64 bit, they claim that all the bundled plugins license from their various suppliers would need to be recompiled as well as Cubase itself. Personally I can't see why some sort of wrapper couldn't be made to allow 32 bit plugins to run within a 64 bit application?

kp · Post by kp » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:41 am

You can't run a 32 bit dll within a 64 bit application (ie. same process space, which is how DX and VST effects work) - you'd have to run them in a second (32 bit) process and pipe data back across (much like IIS runs some COM components out of process for reliability reasons).

There can be a significant performance hit, which might negate the benefits of moving to a genuine 64 bit application.

More importantly, you *have* to have 64 bit drivers for your sound card (audio and MIDI) or you won't be able to use it in XP-64 at all.

None of the 5 soundcards I've owned over the past 8(?) years have or are likely to have 64 bit drivers written for them (they're not low-end cards either), and I see this as being the real killer that stops a significant number of people making the leap to XP-64 in the near future.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:42 am

I dont see what the fuss is about with 64 bit. All you gain is maximum of 30% speed incease (If you're lucky - I can overclock with 30% gain) and the ability to address more than 4GB ram. Hardly worth all the messing about and losing compatibility with all your other software and plugs is it?

griels · Post by **griels** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:57 am

UltraJv wrote:I dont see what the fuss is about with 64 bit. All you gain is maximum of 30% speed incease (If you're lucky - I can overclock with 30% gain)

Not to be sniffed at... That's equivalent to a whole extra GhZ for free... No extra heat, no extra stress on the processor... And you could still overclock if you wanted

No?

UltraJv wrote: and the ability to address more than 4GB ram.

I thought Win XP applciations could only address 2GB each? With today's large sample libraries, it's easy to exceed that requirement.

UltraJv wrote: Hardly worth all the messing about and losing compatibility with all your other software and plugs is it?

Well, bearing in mind what kp said about the need for data piping, and the fact that my video card (Matrox G550) had no 64 bit drivers the last time I checked, I'd have to say no for the minute

But the sooner more developers jump onto the 64 bit bandwagon, the more worthwhile it will be...

kp · Post by kp » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:02 am

I didn't even think about my video card :-( Does XP-64 ship with drivers for the Matrox (I've got a G450 and use the stock ones that come with XP)?

griels · Post by **griels** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:05 am

kp wrote:I didn't even think about my video card Does XP-64 ship with drivers for the Matrox (I've got a G450 and use the stock ones that come with XP)?

No, but you're in luck - there's an XP64 driver for the G450 which doesn't bloody well work for the G550

kp · Post by kp » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:07 am

Pity I don't have a 64 bit processor :-(

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:10 am

griels wrote:
kp wrote:I didn't even think about my video card Does XP-64 ship with drivers for the Matrox (I've got a G450 and use the stock ones that come with XP)?
No, but you're in luck - there's an XP64 driver for the G450 which doesn't bloody well work for the G550

That sucks. I thought it was part of the same driver family. I have both the G450 and G550.

Devon

64-Bit Cubase?