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Ahmed · Post by **Ahmed** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:27 am

Hi, I was just wondering;
Why do many people choose some new hosts like Tracktion,FL or Orion instead of the old ones Logic, Protools, Cubase? Is it the price or does it make them feel new and not old?

dougsyo · Post by **dougsyo** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:43 am

For some, it's price.

For others, it's workflow.

I started with Cakewalk Home Studio 2002, and upgraded to Sonar. That's a pretty traditional sequencer, a la Cubase, etc.

Bundled with one of them was a really lightweight version of Fruity Loops (aka FLStudio). I tried it out and liked it, but it didn't replace Sonar. For me, the two products compliment each other, but they have very different workflows, and I use them for different purposes, or at different points in a project.

Tracktion works differently yet from both of them - I looked at it, and since I primarily work with MIDI it didn't seem that hot to me. I kinda liked Muzys until it bellied-up.

Doug

Ahmed · Post by **Ahmed** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:01 pm

I tried as much as possible to start the thread as general as possible without going into details with any of the host, but now I find my self really want to ask you about something you said about Tracktion

Tracktion works differently yet from both of them - I looked at it, and since I primarily work with MIDI it didn't seem that hot to me. I kinda liked Muzys until it bellied-up.

I'm trying to discover Tracktion's feature these days, I have checked all major parts of it and non are too bad, but untill this moment I dont understand exactly why do people keep saying"It's not very good for Midi or working in patterns"

Maybe it's the way midi clips are arranged and lined next to each other? I must know the reason and now

semiquaver · Post by **semiquaver** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:21 pm

Tracktion v1 has pretty basic MIDI editing capabilities - simple quantizing etc, not the most sophisticated controller editing etc - all of that is said to be changing very soon with Tracktion 2... Tracktion's implementation of VIs is great - a quick intuitive freeze function - all very fast. The best thing about Tracktion imo is that you see everything all the time - the ease of use is terrific. I am considering jumping ship from DP4 to Tracktion (after 15 years!) because Tracktion is easier on my brain!

IF you are making techno music or your main interest is loops etc then Tracktion is not for you - you want Live which is really a great piece for that purpose.

Ahmed · Post by **Ahmed** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:27 pm

So if I"m intersed in loops music I should roll out even Tracktion 2 as you guys recomend, right?

Hellbilly · Post by **Hellbilly** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:33 pm

I use Cubase because because i'm just used to the "traditional" sequencers. Started on Atari with Cubase, then Cakewalk Pro Audio when i moved to PC and then Cubase again when SX came.

I've tried most of the newer like Tracktion, eXT, Orion, Live etc, but i keep going back to Cubase because i'm used to the workflow in it. Not because Cubase is better, it just works for me.

Hellbilly · Post by **Hellbilly** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:34 pm

Ahmed wrote:So if I"m intersed in loops music I should roll out even Tracktion 2 as you guys recomend, right?

For loop based production, Ableton Live and Sony Acid 5 would be 2 great choices for you.

Fl Studio is also a great package and easy to get started with.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:45 pm

I also started on Cubase on an Atari. Graduated to VST on A PC.. then SX came out missing most of my favorite MIDI features and I discovered Tracktion: haven't looked back!

Don't think Cubase was too difficult for me either: I still earn my living with VST, and consider myself a power user: anyone who maintains that Tracktion is significantly less powerful than Cubase et al, hasn't understood its potential.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:51 pm

Hellbilly wrote:
I've tried most of the newer like Tracktion, eXT, Orion, Live etc, but i keep going back to Cubase because i'm used to the workflow in it. Not because Cubase is better, it just works for me.

same here

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:54 pm

I know that it also means double money, but investing in Acid or Live will leave you the chance to use vstis and Rewire, so you'll have the best of both worlds (looping tools and vstis).

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:54 pm

bluedad wrote:
Hellbilly wrote:
I've tried most of the newer like Tracktion, eXT, Orion, Live etc, but i keep going back to Cubase because i'm used to the workflow in it. Not because Cubase is better, it just works for me.
same here

and here. I've tried Orion and Tracktion but just ended up scratching my head. Being used to Cubarse made it difficult to understand the approach others take. So I went back to Cubarse. I then realised that I couldn't think of anything that I can't do in Cubase so why do I need a different host? If the day comes when I cannot do something in Cubase I shall probably look at the other's on the market.

my advice really would be obvious - try the demos and go with what works for you - and stick with it.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:00 pm

CypherOne wrote: I then realised that I couldn't think of anything that I can't do in Cubase

Want a list?

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:02 pm

no I didn't mean that the application doesn't have limits, just that I haven't reached them yet, i.e. I can't think of anything I'm missing. It's not like I sit there and think 'how can I...' and then discover that I can't because of my host. But then I guess I'm not as smart as you.

Hellbilly · Post by **Hellbilly** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:05 pm

No host is perfect, because people want different things in different ways.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:10 pm

i use orion platinum cos bones threatened to kill me if i didnt

A question about hosts