you want to be Quothed, don't you? rascal.autodidactic wrote:To everyone else....Sorry for the harshness of this post.
Are you a composer or a technoid?
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
No attack here, but you clearly don't understand the intent of "ambience" in music. Feeling isn't the only thing music can provoke. What about atmosphere?autodidactic wrote:I was just trying to convey the idea of background or backdrop (like a painting with colours and no subject...or perhaps movie music) In all fairness though you should have gotten my meaning when I mentioned adjectives like ambience etc.
My point stands. I feel I can express myself more through atonal music than I can tonal.
My Youtube Channel - Wires Dream Disasters
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
You know that sound that ships as part of the default audio scheme for Windows that's basically an orchestra hit for popup warnings?jens wrote:
I hear the memory of that sound every time I see this symbol.
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
shamann wrote:You know that sound that ships as part of the default audio scheme for Windows that's basically an orchestra hit for popup warnings?jens wrote:
I hear the memory of that sound every time I see this symbol.
I absolutely hate this sound - I'm not sure if there is anything more annoying in the world - the first thing I do when I install windows is to disable all system sounds...
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- KVRist
- 47 posts since 28 Nov, 2004
I think we are talking about the same thing when we say ambience Acolmiztli. I think I just could have chosen a better analogy. 
As I've stated before, I am not opposed to ambient electronic music, or tone poems or anything else that doesn't conform to European classical music norms. As a matter of fact, I like listening to it from time to time. It can be a great source of inspiration.
Anyways, I think I'm gonna give this thread a rest for a while. I'm tired of explaining myself. I came here hoping for a little intelligent debate, not to get into a name calling contest.
Hope everybody has a good Friday night
Maybe even Mr Rabbyt too
As I've stated before, I am not opposed to ambient electronic music, or tone poems or anything else that doesn't conform to European classical music norms. As a matter of fact, I like listening to it from time to time. It can be a great source of inspiration.
Anyways, I think I'm gonna give this thread a rest for a while. I'm tired of explaining myself. I came here hoping for a little intelligent debate, not to get into a name calling contest.
Hope everybody has a good Friday night
Maybe even Mr Rabbyt too
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
Dude, I'm not calling you names. Just asserting my own opinion. I don't believe melody is important. I think it is just one facet of music. I have no problem calling pieces like John Cage's 4:33 "music" just as much as I have no problem with calling Britney Spears' music "music" - as much as I f**king LOATHE the bitch.
My Youtube Channel - Wires Dream Disasters
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35501 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
automechanic quoth Just took a peak in and so much response in so little time! I know I said I wouldn't post again today but I had to respond to this personal attack.
Aw, I hate it when they does that.
First of all, who the hell are you to call anybody a dick? You little color-me-badd reject.
Im the guy who called you a dick, you 'colour-me-goodd' <cough> reject.
Second of all, don't make assumptions on my musical background when you know nothing about me.
Why not? You're happy to make assumptions about people's intentions, for example....
Melody is the message in music. . It is the statement the artist makes to his/her listeners.
But I said precisely zero about your precious 'background'. Just your mindset, assumptions, and selective memory.
I have a far broader background then I think you give me credit for.
Wooo. I'm real happy for you.
I merely used the classical and jazz figures as points of reference because I knew even little pissant snotty snog-your-own-sister types such as yourself would be familiar with them.
Then we can presume a little pissant who's still sucking his daddy's cock like yourself has heard of Cage or Varese. Cos you've got that musical background, as well as a purty mouth.
If you need more multicultural references, see Pontian music, Byzantine music, and the rest of the 90 percent of music that does use melody you self consumed ape.
I see. You're claiming that if something has a common usage then it is of primary importance amongst that pool of usage. Think harder.
Lastly, the intent of my original post was to stress the importance of melody. At no point did I say that not using it is bad or unacceptable. I certainly didn't say that it wasn't music or that it was less valid. So all you touchy little die hards can read the whole post before you get all over my back.
Lets refresh our memory....
So your saying that whilst music without melody has no actual artistic statement, it isnt 'less valid'.
Oh thats okay, then. Forgive me my error.
BTW....If I offended anybody with the wallpaper comparison I apologize. I wasn't trying to hurt anybody's feelings. I was just trying to convey the idea of background or backdrop (like a painting with colours and no subject...or perhaps movie music) In all fairness though you should have gotten my meaning when I mentioned adjectives like ambience etc.
Backpedal, backpedal....
(Oops, I hope Mr Whyterabbyt understands the multisyllabic words seeing as how my ID gave the illiterate little bastard so much trouble)
Yes.. Thats my 'color-me-badd' <cough> character there. I really do hope Ive got it right this time, to be sure.
To everyone else....Sorry for the harshness of this post. I'm usually much nicer.
We're really convinced.
Then again, I'm usually not called a dick by strangers for having an opinion about music, which in the grand scheme of things is quite trivial. It's not like I took away his livelihood or something.
Well, Im getting more and more used to some stranger telling me how angry they are at me for something I said, whilst simultaneously completely misrepresenting what it actually was. You dick.
In summary:
Everyone else.....sorry about any confusion, my last post was written without any malice.
Isnt he sweet, folks?
Mr Rabbit..... Go F**k Yourself
Thats 'Rabbyt'. And you go back to getting reamed by the village idiot. Or as you know him, 'daddykins'.
(Oops, I hope Mr Autodick understands the multisyllabic words seeing as how my ID gave the illiterate little bastard so much trouble)
Aw, I hate it when they does that.
First of all, who the hell are you to call anybody a dick? You little color-me-badd reject.
Im the guy who called you a dick, you 'colour-me-goodd' <cough> reject.
Second of all, don't make assumptions on my musical background when you know nothing about me.
Why not? You're happy to make assumptions about people's intentions, for example....
Melody is the message in music. . It is the statement the artist makes to his/her listeners.
But I said precisely zero about your precious 'background'. Just your mindset, assumptions, and selective memory.
I have a far broader background then I think you give me credit for.
Wooo. I'm real happy for you.
I merely used the classical and jazz figures as points of reference because I knew even little pissant snotty snog-your-own-sister types such as yourself would be familiar with them.
Then we can presume a little pissant who's still sucking his daddy's cock like yourself has heard of Cage or Varese. Cos you've got that musical background, as well as a purty mouth.
If you need more multicultural references, see Pontian music, Byzantine music, and the rest of the 90 percent of music that does use melody you self consumed ape.
I see. You're claiming that if something has a common usage then it is of primary importance amongst that pool of usage. Think harder.
Lastly, the intent of my original post was to stress the importance of melody. At no point did I say that not using it is bad or unacceptable. I certainly didn't say that it wasn't music or that it was less valid. So all you touchy little die hards can read the whole post before you get all over my back.
Lets refresh our memory....
and "I certainly didn't say that it wasn't music or that it was less valid."Melody is the message in music. It is the statement the artist makes to his/her listeners. The rest is support for the melody. No melody, no message.
So your saying that whilst music without melody has no actual artistic statement, it isnt 'less valid'.
Oh thats okay, then. Forgive me my error.
BTW....If I offended anybody with the wallpaper comparison I apologize. I wasn't trying to hurt anybody's feelings. I was just trying to convey the idea of background or backdrop (like a painting with colours and no subject...or perhaps movie music) In all fairness though you should have gotten my meaning when I mentioned adjectives like ambience etc.
Backpedal, backpedal....
(Oops, I hope Mr Whyterabbyt understands the multisyllabic words seeing as how my ID gave the illiterate little bastard so much trouble)
Yes.. Thats my 'color-me-badd' <cough> character there. I really do hope Ive got it right this time, to be sure.
To everyone else....Sorry for the harshness of this post. I'm usually much nicer.
We're really convinced.
Then again, I'm usually not called a dick by strangers for having an opinion about music, which in the grand scheme of things is quite trivial. It's not like I took away his livelihood or something.
Well, Im getting more and more used to some stranger telling me how angry they are at me for something I said, whilst simultaneously completely misrepresenting what it actually was. You dick.
In summary:
Everyone else.....sorry about any confusion, my last post was written without any malice.
Isnt he sweet, folks?
Mr Rabbit..... Go F**k Yourself
Thats 'Rabbyt'. And you go back to getting reamed by the village idiot. Or as you know him, 'daddykins'.
(Oops, I hope Mr Autodick understands the multisyllabic words seeing as how my ID gave the illiterate little bastard so much trouble)
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Well, I can see that my whole "Lets come up with another word for ambient/experimental sound art in the interests of peace" suggestion went over really big.
Do you guys like fighting or something???
Do you guys like fighting or something???
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
How about 'wibbling'?herodotus wrote:Well, I can see that my whole "Lets come up with another word for ambient/experimental sound art in the interests of peace" suggestion went over really big.
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- KVRAF
- 3508 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
Sold!donkey tugger wrote:How about 'wibbling'?herodotus wrote:Well, I can see that my whole "Lets come up with another word for ambient/experimental sound art in the interests of peace" suggestion went over really big.
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- KVRAF
- 2548 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
Hey Guys, this is really getting too personal.whyterabbyt wrote:Then we can presume a little pissant who's still sucking his daddy's cock like yourself has heard of Cage or Varese. Cos you've got that musical background, as well as a purty mouth.whyterabbyt's debating partner wrote:I merely used the classical and jazz figures as points of reference because I knew even little pissant snotty snog-your-own-sister types such as yourself would be familiar with them.
If you really want to express these intimate feelings to each other, get a hotel room together somewhere!
McLilith
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35501 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
herodotus quoth Well, I can see that my whole "Lets come up with another word for ambient/experimental sound art in the interests of peace" suggestion went over really big.
Shit, I musta missed that when I made fried eggs.
Though I have to ask, why is it always the amb/ex/art guys what have to do the thinking and compromising? When the fork did you see any of 'us' start a thread yelling "melody is shite; if you rely on melody you buy into preconceived notions of musical cliche, fail to challenge, and rely purely on a banal and corrupt consumer-driven Western aesthetic"
Not that bloody often, eh?
So since 'we' aint on any kind of attack, why do 'we' have to be inclusive, thinking up nice ways to wrapper 'ourselves' for some sort of safe acceptability by the blinkered and narrow-minded cretins who keep telling us what 'we' do isnt as important or meaningful or communicative as their endeavours?
I say, "f**k it, its music, and if you dont think its music, widen your mind, instead of trying to narrow ours. or I'll kick your f**king head in"
Or something like that.
Do you guys like fighting or something???
Me? Nah. Although apparantly autopilotboy seems to want to give some women a 'backhand across the face' sometimes.
Shit, I musta missed that when I made fried eggs.
Though I have to ask, why is it always the amb/ex/art guys what have to do the thinking and compromising? When the fork did you see any of 'us' start a thread yelling "melody is shite; if you rely on melody you buy into preconceived notions of musical cliche, fail to challenge, and rely purely on a banal and corrupt consumer-driven Western aesthetic"
Not that bloody often, eh?
So since 'we' aint on any kind of attack, why do 'we' have to be inclusive, thinking up nice ways to wrapper 'ourselves' for some sort of safe acceptability by the blinkered and narrow-minded cretins who keep telling us what 'we' do isnt as important or meaningful or communicative as their endeavours?
I say, "f**k it, its music, and if you dont think its music, widen your mind, instead of trying to narrow ours. or I'll kick your f**king head in"
Or something like that.
Do you guys like fighting or something???
Me? Nah. Although apparantly autopilotboy seems to want to give some women a 'backhand across the face' sometimes.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."