protools?
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- KVRist
- 61 posts since 3 Aug, 2001 from USA
I use it everyday. I cut my teeth on Logic years ago, moved to Cubase and then PT. ProTools is the most powerful editor you'll ever use. I have some problems with the summing bus, but that's another story. In short, if you ever want to work as a professional in audio, learn PT. It is the house standard and will be so for quite a while. It doesn't matter if other programs are better than others. PT is what the pros use the most. As far as different/better, I think Cubase is coded better than PT as far as CPU efficiency goes. Cubase has a slightly better summing bus, and it's midi implimentation is better. PT has much faster editing and automation control. Hope this helps.
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- KVRist
- 450 posts since 2 Nov, 2003 from 'sunny' Gaylord, Michigan, USA
i have pt sitting dormant on my desktop. bought mbox just so i could jump into protools. mostly now i just use it for the asio drivers. very steep learning curve for me(tho i can't say i've tried all that hard). with the flood of rtas plugs in the last year or two (winxp, by the way, not mac) i thought i'd really be on top of it, but the biggest drawback for me is the piano roll. i'm so used to orion's that i've been spoiled, i guess. i have rewired orion into protols, but it's a big cpu hit. haven't tried it on my newer machine yet, so maybe that still won't be an issue. what i haven't tried yet is putting it together in orion then bouncing tracks and opening them that way in protools. thing is, once i've rendered to wave, i don't see where pt will be an advantage over going to soundforge where my plugin chains are already set up.
what i'm used to doing is so much different than protools that it's going to take alot of effort and frankly, i'm lazy. plus this is a hobby, not my livelihood.
what i'm used to doing is so much different than protools that it's going to take alot of effort and frankly, i'm lazy. plus this is a hobby, not my livelihood.
i'd rather have a mullet than a comb-over.
fortunately, i have neither.
fortunately, i have neither.
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- KVRist
- 378 posts since 12 Jan, 2005
If you have a relatively powerful computer get Ableton Live. I own both Ableton Live and Protools and if you want a powerful, stable, slightly esoteric recording app then Protools might be better for ya. But for powerful arrangment and loop construction/destruction features Get Ableton.
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- KVRAF
- 6323 posts since 30 Dec, 2004 from London uk
Nuendo is closer to Protools than Cubase.
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- KVRist
- 153 posts since 21 Apr, 2004 from ...under the thumb
Protools' forte is audio editing. I haven't seen anything like it on any of the other hosts. Basically, it's like excel for audio. Provided you're familiar with the shortcuts, it can be wickedly fast.
For midi editing, I personally use the staff in Cakewalk Home Studio 2 and then import the result into Protools so I can drop the vocal over it.
For midi editing, I personally use the staff in Cakewalk Home Studio 2 and then import the result into Protools so I can drop the vocal over it.
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- KVRist
- 171 posts since 3 Feb, 2003
I agree with UltraJv. Nuendo is very much like ProTools. I actually think Nuendo has more advanced editing features than PT.
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- KVRist
- 153 posts since 21 Apr, 2004 from ...under the thumb
Not until just now. It looks nice in the pictures I found. What can you tell us about it?popsych wrote:strunk wrote:Protools' forte is audio editing. I haven't seen anything like it on any of the other hosts.
I have. ?eard of Sequoia ?
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- KVRist
- 301 posts since 5 Jun, 2004
It is the big brother(or should that be sisterstrunk wrote:Not until just now. It looks nice in the pictures I found. What can you tell us about it?popsych wrote:strunk wrote:Protools' forte is audio editing. I haven't seen anything like it on any of the other hosts.
I have. ?eard of Sequoia ?
) of Samplitude which is certainly very powerful too audio wise. It basically gives all of the expected features, like auto crossfades and the likes, but it's edge compared to pro tools is :a) has an advanced crossfade editor with possibly every feature you could like
b) crossfades are real time. I think the last version of PT i used did this destructively
c) 12 channel surround - NATIVELY
d) up to 999 tracks
e) Has object based concept. E.g. an audio clip can have it's OWN individual effect section in real time
e.g. i use the same clip of a vocal on the same track with eq and compressor set up and i put some delay on the second clip. The 1st will play throuh the eq and the compressor, while the second through the delay, and then the eq comrpessor. Nothing get bounced. All of this is realtime
f) Elastic audio - Kinda like melodyne but can be used on per object basis and is totally integrated.
g) ripple based editing.
I'm not a master of PT myself so correct me if i'm wrong on any of these in case PT has some of the above mentioned, however an important side-note. VSL was completely edited in Sequoia and as it's creators said "probably could not have been accomplished without it". Audio is NOT paramount for me so i may still be missing something here but from what i've heard and seen Sequoia pips both PT and Nuendo to the post on an audio editing only test
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- KVRer
- 18 posts since 6 Mar, 2005
I use ProTools daily for audio post production of films. It is the industry standard across the world. I have experience in Australia, United Kingdom and America. Anecdotal experience (ie. friends) in India, France and Canada.
I have LE at home but use TDM systems at work (wherever).
Nothing comes close (some of my peers use Nuendo for specific tasks. ie. foley).
The majority of professional composers I work with master and deliver on Protools although many work with Logic or Cubase prior to delivery.
I can sound design feature films all the way to mix stage with Protools completely non linearly (ie. in real time) keeping all tracks entirely dynamic (nothing is committed to tape). This often involves iterally hundreds of tracks. I have been involved in mixes with five TDM systems locked together simultaneously, playing back at least 64 (and usually 256) tracks at a time with plug in processing (waves, renaissance etc.). The only time we have problems with real time processing is with convolution reverbs (ie. TL Space) - no doubt a Macintosh G7 will solve that problem!
I don't think ProTools is perfect (why can't you create folders in the region list or create "groups" of regions - not just select them?) but there is no doubt that it is the standard for film and TV audio post (and generally for music).
So yes! as stated previously, if you want to work professionally in the industry (wherever) you must learn Protools!!!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0250697/ (Giving too much information!!!)
I have LE at home but use TDM systems at work (wherever).
Nothing comes close (some of my peers use Nuendo for specific tasks. ie. foley).
The majority of professional composers I work with master and deliver on Protools although many work with Logic or Cubase prior to delivery.
I can sound design feature films all the way to mix stage with Protools completely non linearly (ie. in real time) keeping all tracks entirely dynamic (nothing is committed to tape). This often involves iterally hundreds of tracks. I have been involved in mixes with five TDM systems locked together simultaneously, playing back at least 64 (and usually 256) tracks at a time with plug in processing (waves, renaissance etc.). The only time we have problems with real time processing is with convolution reverbs (ie. TL Space) - no doubt a Macintosh G7 will solve that problem!
I don't think ProTools is perfect (why can't you create folders in the region list or create "groups" of regions - not just select them?) but there is no doubt that it is the standard for film and TV audio post (and generally for music).
So yes! as stated previously, if you want to work professionally in the industry (wherever) you must learn Protools!!!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0250697/ (Giving too much information!!!)
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- KVRian
- 897 posts since 2 Aug, 2001 from norway
i'm sitting here waiting for some clients to show up for a recording session...
it's on a protools system, but i've decided to use SONAR instead
in this studio that is for recording only, pro tools is fine... i think it is kinda unfriendly to other software and hardware in a more uhmm.. chaotically creative envronment like my composing studio is. All my other software and hardware are friendly to each other, pro tools is usually kind of... picky and difficult with the rest.. if that makes any sense
but i would really like to sit and peek over the shoulder when a real protools wizard is at work, just to see how they work. Anyone like that here in Bergen, Norway that will let me sit in and watch?
it's on a protools system, but i've decided to use SONAR instead
in this studio that is for recording only, pro tools is fine... i think it is kinda unfriendly to other software and hardware in a more uhmm.. chaotically creative envronment like my composing studio is. All my other software and hardware are friendly to each other, pro tools is usually kind of... picky and difficult with the rest.. if that makes any sense
but i would really like to sit and peek over the shoulder when a real protools wizard is at work, just to see how they work. Anyone like that here in Bergen, Norway that will let me sit in and watch?