KVR Audio

HHaynes · Post by **HHaynes** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:25 pm

wrench45us wrote:
How can you make music under such pressure?
whoa,
it sounds a lot like a job doesn't it?

You've got to be an idea factory, and trust your gut. Many times you'll get notes like "I want it to sound like a cross between Elvis' 'Suspicious Minds' and an Indian raga" and are left thinking

...but then you do exactly what they ask for and deliver it as quickly as possible. The more "incongruent" the request, the harder I try to get ahead of schedule - as I know that once they hear what they've requested, they're going to change their mind.

Many times you'll be provided a rough cut of the spot with a "temp" under it that's a recognizable commercial piece of music - and the job is to sound like it without them getting sued. In those cases I try to find a way to "step away" from the piece enough to sound like it came from its own origins, as well as using the clip I produce to REALLY underscore what's happening on in the visual. That way the director feels complimented that you were "inspired" to lock to his visual and ignores the fact that you shied away from a total rip-off.

There are probably as many ways to slice it as there are composers, but my approach has landed me a gig with a major studio's TV division, producing a new library of cues for their daytime syndicated shows.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:35 pm

WoW

That's alot of replies! Thanx so much guys...alot of you have been extremely helpful here. I haven't even had time to go through all 4 pages yet! That dubbing over an already made commercial is a fantastic idea! Never would've thought. Think that's what i'll do. Thanx for the links to!

peace!

scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:28 pm

HHaynes wrote:, but my approach has landed me a gig with a major studio's TV division, producing a new library of cues for their daytime syndicated shows.

Cool!
Congratulations ! I think I may well be extremely jealous

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:43 pm

scuzzphut wrote:
HHaynes wrote:, but my approach has landed me a gig with a major studio's TV division, producing a new library of cues for their daytime syndicated shows.
Cool!
Congratulations ! I think I may well be extremely jealous

who wouldn't be.. a relatively non-offensive task with relatively massive compensation. i'd slit all your throats ten times over just to get an exec to look at me sideways and you know it ;p

at the same time tho..

how about "heinous.." programming = evil.. you know it, even if you don't admit it :p and you're putting "the power" right into their hands, jsut as scuzzphut and i am "putting it in your hand" by making free vsts :p "give dr. evil a handjob for molokai?"

how can we permit this? how irresonsible are we?

certainly the first step towards maknig sure no one gives them any power is to not do it yourself..

WAH!

i say WAH!

bastards = suck, it's very important for somewhere

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:00 pm

xoxos wrote:at the same time tho...

Problem is at some point it just becomes too difficult to not just try to get by, give in to the robot order. Who has the strength and resolve to face the insurmountable every day? And even when you do, who will notice?

It's all been f**ked up for so long, and every effort to keep it a little less f**ked up seems to be consumed by the machine. And revolution to what end? To help the others who have so willingly given in to the "way it is"? It strikes me it would be just more of the same 'giving in' going on.

I'll join you in the Wah! Nowt else to do really. We can't push the balance, and for that we Wah! Now go join the order and get yourself one of those pleasing arrangements. And trim that beard, it's like an antenna for woe.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:01 pm

You realize, of course, this means Wah.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:06 pm

Meffy wrote:You realize, of course, this means Wah.

Every day.

The horror, Meffy, the horror!

scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:07 pm

yes.
Wah!

putte · Post by **putte** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:07 pm

JohnVulich wrote:[
I agree with everything in your post except for "needing" musical talent. I have 2 words... Hans Zimmer. Sorry but I think his music sucks ass and he's the biggest thing in soundtracks right now.

.. and i always thought i was the only one not liking hans zimmer´s music ..

so, who can take me to hollywood then?

putte

gunnar · Post by **gunnar** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:38 am

putte wrote: .. and i always thought i was the only one not liking hans zimmer´s music ..

putte

now we are three...

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:21 pm

If there are really so many producers of shorts etc who are looking for music and at the same time there are so many composers willing to work for nothing or almost nothing we should grab this opportunity.

Let's bring them all together. We start a place where people looking for custom music composed to their liking put a notice and we get enough composers together who can make offers and take up these jobs. Even people who want to do it for money should be welcome to participate.

Any takers on such an idea?

Ian Stone · Post by **Ian Stone** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:51 pm

First, one needs a degree in Media Production. This is a must. That is, unless you can manage to gather enough attention to yourself. In this case you need to be fairly talented and produce alot of material to get noticed.

tkmattson · Post by **tkmattson** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:59 pm

Sepheritoh wrote:If there are really so many producers of shorts etc who are looking for music and at the same time there are so many composers willing to work for nothing or almost nothing we should grab this opportunity.

Let's bring them all together. We start a place where people looking for custom music composed to their liking put a notice and we get enough composers together who can make offers and take up these jobs. Even people who want to do it for money should be welcome to participate.

Any takers on such an idea?

That's exactly what I'm saying. That's why music folk should be checking out Mandy.com especially, because that's where most of us film/video folk are posting jobs. For the most part there aren't too many crossover (film/video/audio/music) folks like myself, and it is funny to me just how disjointed the two worlds are from one another when they really need each other so much....there isn't any good reason in the world that someone who wants to make a soundtrack, has the motivation to do so, some music/audio skills, and decent people skills can't do so....

tkmattson · Post by **tkmattson** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:02 pm

Ian Stone wrote:First, one needs a degree in Media Production. This is a must. That is, unless you can manage to gather enough attention to yourself. In this case you need to be fairly talented and produce alot of material to get noticed.

I agree. Some will play down the importance of a general four year degree in media production, but it's a must in my book. If I would have just studied audio, which is why I got in the program I did in the first place, I would have never learned the film/video skills that I now earn 95% of my income with. Also having a generalized media education makes understanding the other media's needs & standards, and how it applies to you. If it makes sense at all, keep it broad (learn as many skillsets as you can), but specialize at the same time (ie focus on audio mastering & documentary filmmaking)....

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:44 pm

personally i think the concept of homogenous production skillsets should make you turn white and run screaming to the hills of four year degree bashing, but if you want it to be all about "getting this shit done pro like" then don't complain when all your neighbors are nazi morons from hell bucko

Jobs composing/producing music for commercials???...