Project 5 v2 info now up

[wrench45us]

slicy and fill-in drummer are not part of the P5 package and as far as I know while they work in Sonar they don't work in P5 v 1.5. I don't know if they'll work in P5 v2.

P5 v2 is supposed to be implement some of the gapless audio engine advances from recent Sonar work and presumably that would include more efficient cpu usage, but I wouldn't expect drastic reductions.
There will be a freeze function to render tracks to audio to reduce cpu load.

Typically I work with 7 - 9 tracks of midi, including noted such cpu loads as rhino. But P5 has made me appreciate the cpu efficiency of Absynth and FM7. And it's made me learn quite a few cpu preserving tricks that may not have been necessary in other hosts.

Saying a host crashes with 5 tracks doesn't really say much about the number of notes, the complexity of the patches or fx in the device chain, but it is the sort of experience a lot of people had with v 1.0.

Is the demo still at v 1.0? I don't know why Cakewalk never released a demo of v 1.5. It's more stable and has a lot more features.

I use P5 because the editing/creation of midi data in patterns in the editor and in tracks just made so much sense to me. The piano roll editing is similar to FLStudio, but FLS tends to use some graphic programming mousing conventions, while P5 uses what struck me as typical Windows conventions. I find the workflow of track and song creation using midi note data in FLS and Sonar to be awkward. I find it much more simple and direct in P5, but I don't expect everybody instantly to come to the same conclusion.

We'll have to see if Cakewalk has managed to expand its feature set and some methods of working like the Groove Matrix while keeping the simple and direct methods at its base. I'm sure this balance played on CW's thinking and it really looks like they've struck some kind of nerve if kvr'ers are giving v2 another look.

The thing that gets me is people somehow set up expectations that it should out Ableton Live, Ableton Live and out Reason, Reason etc.. Every host is going to have its own set of strengths and weaknesses and share/'borrow' ceryain features.
Nobody is really going to manage world domination when people use hosts in so many ways. Just find a host with as many of the features that facilitate the way you want to work and use the others as needed in Rewire or as Dxi in other hosts.

[Stupid American Pig]

The thing that gets me is people somehow set up expectations that it should out Ableton Live, Ableton Live and out Reason, Reason etc.. Every host is going to have its own set of strengths and weaknesses and share/'borrow' ceryain features.
Nobody is really going to manage world domination when people use hosts in so many ways. Just find a host with as many of the features that facilitate the way you want to work and use the others as needed in Rewire or as Dxi in other hosts.

well put. I embrace the differences in my hosts. Celebrate diversity. Quit being Hostist... or something like that...

[ZuN]

This is Rene talking about the new Dimension Sampler

Dimension is not exactly a sampler. You'll see the product page defining it as a 'sampling synthesizer', and I believe that's a more accurate description.
You'll see many differences between a standard sampler approach and Dimension's.

Dimension covers a much broader arena than typical samplers in terms of sample manipulation (or mutilation). You'll see both real sounds and other-dimension-sounds in the contents library.

I believe you can think of it like the missing link between a standard sampler and a contemporary rom-playback synthesizer. From the standard sampler profile you get an open system and a powerful engine capable of unlimited keyboard and velocity switching, release triggers, layers, crossfading, stereo 24/192, multilooping, sample switching on MIDI cc, legato, etc. From the rompler profile you get flexible, drawable egs, tempo-sync lfos, filters, insert and send effects, vector mixing. In addition to this, it features a full-fledged wavetable synthesizer with loadable waveforms, a waveguide player, and a few nice physical models like the Piano Body/Damper simulator.

The sound library includes over 1000 programs, including several Grand Pianos (different sizes and velocity layers count, with/without release triggers, with/without simulator), multi velocity electric pianos, rhodes, dx, strats, gibsons, loads of synthesized and real basses, organs, strings, leads, pads, a great collection of atmospheric, evolving, moving textures we've called 'Dimensions', drums and tempo-sync'ed drum grooves and musical grooves.

Now that sounds amazing!!!

[jens]

I does indeed sound amazing and tomorrow I'm off the the store purchasing P5 v1 (129€ ain't exactly much for all that, is it?)

[ZuN]

I think i would pay that much for the upgrade alone.

[projectdan]

Im going to keep my eye on this. Ill wait till its out and I can demo it and read reviews of sample content before I throw my cash at it (should be able to get educational price). Im hoping it isnt too bad on the CPU as some are worried about, not going to buy before I know if it is or not. If its too much of a CPU hog it would be a big negative and I probably wouldnt be intrested.
The Dimension sample/synth looks to be a big part of the attraction, and with Rene's track record can be fairly sure it will deliver.I will be intrested to see what the 3GB of sample content has to offer, will it even be half as good as a 32MB Emu proteous 2000? Time and the demo will tell.

[stale bread]

well for me the workflow, freeze, and arrangement features, slice automation and the like are what i'm sickly interested in. even without the sample content for 289 you'd be hard pressed to beat what it looks like on paper

[projectdan]

well for me the workflow, freeze, and arrangement features, slice automation and the like are what i'm sickly interested in. even without the sample content for 289 you'd be hard pressed to beat what it looks like on paper

I agree there looks to be alot of good points to it, but if it is a CPU hog then that isnt good for the workflow, so Im holding off till I know one way or the other.

[antardhyan]

Looks promising. Lets see.

[SonicBreeze]

So far CPU Load is a major issue with P5 where it puts you off.At cakewalk, they expect you to have super computer to manipulate full capabilities of P5. It is really matter of observation when P5 alone takes so much of load,then how it will succeed as Rewire host where more processing speed will be required.Let us wait and see what it has to offer in V2.Or it is simply a hype....

[R2Project]

So far CPU Load is a major issue with P5 where it puts you off.At cakewalk, they expect you to have super computer to manipulate full capabilities of P5

I was desperatly trying to stay out of this conversation (I'm sitting on the fence patiently waiting for the upgrade to ship !) but then I see this old chestnut. Whenever I've run tests (and I haven't run them for a while) I see Project 5 using CPU usage to any other hosts. Lets see If I can find the thread and see if the pics are still around:

Sonar vs P5
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m= ... ey=&#53256

Orion:
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m= ... ey=&#53269


Fruity:
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m= ... ey=&#69950

I didn't do Cubase at the time because I couldn't stand the interface and I don't seem to be able to find a demo version today.

Andy

[whyterabbyt]

Andy if you're still around in Dundee, you fancy a beer some time?

[ZuN]

So far CPU Load is a major issue with P5 where it puts you off.At cakewalk, they expect you to have super computer to manipulate full capabilities of P5

I was desperatly trying to stay out of this conversation (I'm sitting on the fence patiently waiting for the upgrade to ship !) but then I see this old chestnut. Whenever I've run tests (and I haven't run them for a while) I see Project 5 using CPU usage to any other hosts. Lets see If I can find the thread and see if the pics are still around:

Sonar vs P5
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m= ... ey=&#53256

Orion:
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m= ... ey=&#53269


Fruity:
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m= ... ey=&#69950

I didn't do Cubase at the time because I couldn't stand the interface and I don't seem to be able to find a demo version today.

Andy

Thanks for posting that up Andy, I hope it helps people understand the CPU usage.

[R2Project]

Andy if you're still around in Dundee, you fancy a beer some time?

I am and we will ! A bit busy at the mo with Server 2003 Sp1 !

Andy

[whyterabbyt]

Dont you get evenings off over the Easter break then?