ProTools without Digi hardware?

[dramsenik]

Funny, everyone I know who uses ProTools is either doing sound-based artwork, or editing sound for video. No bands at all... In post production, as far as I understand, if you dont do PT, you dont do it...

Sure i guess there's a lot of other users but this is the tendency. Just look the "post your studio pic" here on kvr and click on links from user in the DUC.

Funny, everyone I know who uses ProTools is either doing sound-based artwork, or editing sound for video. No bands at all... In post production, as far as I understand, if you dont do PT, you dont do it...

As far as i know for post prod you have plenty of alternatives: from Pyramix, Z-Systems, Sonic-Solutions workstations, SADiE workstation, etc... but then i don't speak of "bedroom post-prod"
post-prod with Nuendo, Sequoia and PT can also be made with dedicated hardware.

[dramsenik]

dramsenik quoth Does that make my statement like if you record bands you need PT?

Did I say it does?

No, but there's a fact: i never went to a "digital" studio with infrastructure to record live musicians that has something else than Samplitude-Sequoia,Nuendo or Pro Tools.

SFW.

My response was entered before i read yours...

What mean SFW?

[whyterabbyt]

(I'd misinterpreted your earlier post as a response to me, edited and my apologies for misconstruing what you meant)

dramsenik quoth
Sure i guess there's a lot of other users but this is the tendency. Just look the "post your studio pic" here on kvr and click on links from user in the DUC.

Quite possibly; just adding some anecdotal stuff

As far as i know for post prod you have plenty of alternatives: from Pyramix, Z-Systems, Sonic-Solutions workstations, SADiE workstation, etc... but then i don't speak of "bedroom post-prod"
post-prod with Nuendo, Sequoia and PT can also be made with dedicated hardware.

Those are alternatives, yeah, but Im not talking about 'bedroom' stuff either. The folk I know who have come from or are in the film or TV industry have an expectation that PT is what gets used in Post.... thats people who have worked on real films, for real TV programs, and on real adverts for real big companies, like Nike and Saab. Not bedroom stuff by a long shot.

[TVD]

Once again, is there any reason to buy Pro Tools if you dont work in an industry studio?

Reasons To Buy Pro-Tools LE/M-Audio:

1) To have a piece of the "industry stardard".
2) To help make your resume look good when applying for a job at a real Pro-Tools HD Studio (read: job experience).
3) It's still one of the best audio recording softwares in the world.

Reasons NOT To Buy Pro-Tools LE/M-Audio:

1) You have Adobe Audition/Cool Edit as one of the best audio recording softwares in the world.
2) You believe that Sonar, Cubase, Digital Proformer, and/or Logic is/are great enough to help you in your career without Pro-Tools.
3) You love soft studios (FLS, Orion, Project5, Reason) way better than the traditional recording software like Pro-Tools.
4) Ableton Live and/or Project5 v2.0 is/are a step closer to your "all-in-one" recording software.
5) You believe that Digidesign's days of being "The industry stardard" are over.

As a DUC member also i can tell you one more thing:
between the DUC(Digi User Forum) and here there's two distinct world.
User of PT mainly record bands and i'm pretty sure that here there is more people alone in front of their DAW. They may compose with Loops, VSTi, etc. but don't actually record more that two guys at once.

You're so right about KVR & DUC being 2 different worlds.

KVR believes in open source plugins (VST, DX), soft studios/sequencers/DAW with a open format (read: Reason isn't one of them), and having a lot of options besides the mainstream standard. In KVR, there is a lot of love for music genres here (not just electronic alone).

DUC believe in Digidesign's self-contained plugins (RTAS), Pro-Tools' current "industry standard" status, and having options that will only work within the restrictions of Digidesign themselves (like M-Box, Digi 001 & 002, M-Audio). In DUC, there is a lot of love for music genres there (especially for recording live bands).

I don't mean to stereotype these 2 respected sites for the sake of a good/bad arguement. In fact, if you (or anyone using Pro-Tools) believe I'm wrong about what I saying, being on the updated information because I love to hear/read them.

I use Pro-Tools for the first time about 5 years ago at a university campus. It was a great learning experience. And I used to believe that PT was the only DAW that matters.

But thanks to Computer Magazine, my eyes were open to a reality that there were a lot of options to choose from besides PT.

Adobe Audition is one of them.

[anopenscroll]

The plugins might be open format, but not open source

[dramsenik]

DUC believe in Digidesign's self-contained plugins (RTAS), Pro-Tools' current "industry standard" status, and having options that will only work within the restrictions of Digidesign themselves (like M-Box, Digi 001 & 002, M-Audio)

"DUC believe..." -> not at all...this fact was somewhat accepted and then Angus@FXpansion asked on the DUC if we, users, would be interested in a VST-RTAS adapter: useless to say that he had a lot of attention and this option was VERY, VERY welcome by anybody on the DUC. And by the way there it is now: VST in PT...

Sometimes restrictions are not bad for better integration. And believe me they don't sell crappy hardware (001 and 002 are well thought and great pieces of hardware) And as far as i know anyway a lot of users bypass the (already great) built-in inputs and put an Avalon or Rosetta or the like to have some "pristine" A-D quality.

[TVD]

The plugins might be open format, but not open source

Thanks!

[TVD]

DUC believe in Digidesign's self-contained plugins (RTAS), Pro-Tools' current "industry standard" status, and having options that will only work within the restrictions of Digidesign themselves (like M-Box, Digi 001 & 002, M-Audio)

"DUC believe..." -> not at all...this fact was somewhat accepted and then Angus@FXpansion asked on the DUC if we, users, would be interested in a VST-RTAS adapter: useless to say that he had a lot of attention and this option was VERY, VERY welcome by anybody on the DUC. And by the way there it is now: VST in PT...

Sometimes restrictions are not bad for better integration. And believe me they don't sell crappy hardware (001 and 002 are well thought and great pieces of hardware) And as far as i know anyway a lot of users bypass the (already great) built-in inputs and put an Avalon or Rosetta or the like to have some "pristine" A-D quality.

Thank goodness for VST-RTAS adapters. Now all of the PT users can spent some money on some good synths. And of course, there some legally freeware too (like MrRay73, Neokiller, etc.).

[CC4]

there is always Pro Tools Free to experiment with.

[Alan]

believe me they don't sell crappy hardware (001 and 002 are well thought and great pieces of hardware)

With M-Box being the exception.

[sirocco]

i think with it being re-wire compatible we will fninally be able to use rtas and audiosuite in cubase and nuendo. this is indeed big news.

[sirocco]

im thinking if there will be a patch or something to open this without using digi hardware. i have a rme fireface 800 and really want to study protools as protools free doesnt work in xp!

[dramsenik]

believe me they don't sell crappy hardware (001 and 002 are well thought and great pieces of hardware)

With M-Box being the exception.

No, No: M-box is wonderfull: USB simply doesn't work

[TVD]

there is always Pro Tools Free to experiment with.

Except that it will not work on winXP!