RIAA strikes out at students

[munchkin]

The idea that the RIAA or the record companies are looking out for the musicians is risable. If they are so concerned about the poor musicians they fleece every day then why don't they pay them appropriately?

Who genuinely knows whether musicians are against d/l music or not? Some have come out in favour of it. The bottom line is that musicians are forced to do the record companies bidding otherwise they are in danger of getting dropped.

Herein lies what that is wrong with the music industry today - it operates by using threats and accountants have a stranglehold over the record companies in deciding what music will be distributed.

When it comes to buying music I want to buy one or two songs off a CD. Not the whole crappy filler filled so-called 'album'. There is so much filler released these days that many people do not think it's worth buying the few good songs in a sea of shite. Until quality goes up there is no incentive.

Instead of expecting consumers (who aren't stupid) to pay for filler, musicians should bump up the quality of their music or sell the good stuff in a realistic and affordable way.

In other words, instead of releasing 20% good and 80% shite music every 6 months. Save it up and hopefully release 50% good and 50% shite music every 18 months instead. Then it would be woth buying. Just because someone releases music and slaps a price on it doesn't make it worth buying. Like some VST/i's I could mention. It's no use hiding shite products behind copywrite laws because they are the emporers clothes.

In conclusion, bump up the quality of the product and cut the cost and then the consumers will pay. It's a perfectly good business model in every other area of industry so why should commercial music be an exception?

[Evan]

http://www.methlabs.org/

Yeah, I am an asshole...

[The Chase]

http://www.methlabs.org/

Yeah, I am an asshole...

Is that a RIAAless p2p program? or a RIAA blocker or what?

[Voidoid Surrealist]

http://www.methlabs.org/

Yeah, I am an asshole...

Is that a RIAAless p2p program? or a RIAA blocker or what?

No evidence that something like that would work.
Do you really think that the RIAA's (or MPAA, or FBI, et al.) people scouting for pirates would be dumb enough to use an ISP associated with themselves?

[bitfreak8]

i ask to listen to it in the shop, or hear it on radio. thats how it worked for 50 years before p2p

Nope, before p2p it was "home taping is killing music".

[Hink]

Wow a lot of posts overnight, I have to read them all still...but has anyone seen the truth behind this...it's not about downloading music, not even close....The RIAA is only using the downloading and piracy issue (which is a problem and imo dishonest and against my beliefs, my being the key word) to get their foot in the door. Laws that are made to stop piracy will be carefully worded and drafted so that it also encompasses file sharing of your own material. The RIAA has known for 40-50 years people have used recorders to copy alnums, they didn't complain. They sold tape, they still made money. VCR's came out, samething, they put the FBI warning on there. Again it never hurt their business. Digital came out and it did, cd's don't ware out, they can't make the medium you use to wear out and become obsolete and so you have to replace it.

Now you, I, anyone can compose, record, produce, and sell their own music. The RIAA has lost it's straglehold. No more is the day they can woo musicians with drugs, cash and T&A. No longer can they slip riders into contracts that end up busting the musician but making them rich. No longer do they own your music, you have the right to own your music. FWIW there are musicians out there playing shows that are banned from playing music they wrote because there contracts made them the property of the record company.

This is the agenda folks, the only way to stop it is for all musicians to get together and unite. First if piracy was no longer the issue they wouldn't have their "in"..even downloading one song or a hacked piece of software no one cares about anymore still gives them ammo to use to reach their goal...domination of music. The second thing is to speak up, if you live in the US you must get yourself ready. There is going to be a vote this session in congress on this, though they are using everything from the pope to the war to make sure we don't see what they are slipping in. Right your congressman and senators, tell them you don't want it....get you friends to do so...chatting with some dude in a music store? Get him to. We are the ones that stand to lose the most here, please help.

If you don't know who represents you in congress go to http://action.citizen.org/pc/dbq/officials/ the time is here for us to speak out and stand up against the machine. Also here http://congresswatch.org/do/Home you can sign up for e-mails that tell you what your rep and senators are doing and reports everytime they say anything in congress (or committees) or vote on anything.

I would of posted this in HPC but I realize that HPC is full of talkers that won't take action...we must take action now, those fat ass record excutes have lined their pockets long enough off the labor and art of others.

[Hink]

i ask to listen to it in the shop, or hear it on radio. thats how it worked for 50 years before p2p

Nope, before p2p it was "home taping is killing music".

That's absurd, how old are you? (no offense, not a question of maturity) When I grew up with R2R recorders, 8-tracks and cassettes the radio stations played album sides every midnight. The DJ would say "get your tape deck ready"...that was never illegal and I never heard a complaint until the 80's when cds came on the scene and DAT's quickly followed that's when the RIAA first wanted to ban the import of digital recorderes, they wanted to be the only ones with them. Then they were worried, they saw the threat then, few people had th eresources to press vinyl, radio stations for years would only play vinyl (no cassettes), so you had to pay them a lot, as I recall in 82 it was about 1000 bux for recording time and I think about 200 45's. But in the 70's and 60's hundreds of companies (who are owned by the same record compaines) were making money off the sale of analog recording gear...now that gear is in our hands and it is more powerful then they want us to have because we wont need them. I would like to see you back up where anyone said "home taping is killing music"....hell they encouraged it.

[stefancrs]

Here goes nothing:
I don't think piracy is immoral. I think the copyright laws are.

[Lazlo Minimart]

Only one thing is certain:

Wrecking these kid's lives is going to end piracy forever.

[ericj23]

i ask to listen to it in the shop, or hear it on radio. thats how it worked for 50 years before p2p

Nope, before p2p it was "home taping is killing music".

That's absurd, how old are you? (no offense, not a question of maturity) When I grew up with R2R recorders, 8-tracks and cassettes the radio stations played album sides every midnight. The DJ would say "get your tape deck ready"...that was never illegal and I never heard a complaint until the 80's when cds came on the scene and DAT's quickly followed that's when the RIAA first wanted to ban the import of digital recorderes, they wanted to be the only ones with them. Then they were worried, they saw the threat then, few people had th eresources to press vinyl, radio stations for years would only play vinyl (no cassettes), so you had to pay them a lot, as I recall in 82 it was about 1000 bux for recording time and I think about 200 45's. But in the 70's and 60's hundreds of companies (who are owned by the same record compaines) were making money off the sale of analog recording gear...now that gear is in our hands and it is more powerful then they want us to have because we wont need them. I would like to see you back up where anyone said "home taping is killing music"....hell they encouraged it.

hmm - there were stickers on every single album released in the Uk in the late 80's

[Hink]

i ask to listen to it in the shop, or hear it on radio. thats how it worked for 50 years before p2p

Nope, before p2p it was "home taping is killing music".

That's absurd, how old are you? (no offense, not a question of maturity) When I grew up with R2R recorders, 8-tracks and cassettes the radio stations played album sides every midnight. The DJ would say "get your tape deck ready"...that was never illegal and I never that's when the RIAA first wanted to ban the import heard a complaint until the 80's when cds came on the scene and DAT's quickly followed of digital recorderes, they wanted to be the only ones with them. Then they were worried, they saw the threat then, few people had th eresources to press vinyl, radio stations for years would only play vinyl (no cassettes), so you had to pay them a lot, as I recall in 82 it was about 1000 bux for recording time and I think about 200 45's. But in the 70's and 60's hundreds of companies (who are owned by the same record compaines) were making money off the sale of analog recording gear...now that gear is in our hands and it is more powerful then they want us to have because we wont need them. I would like to see you back up where anyone said "home taping is killing music"....hell they encouraged it.

hmm - there were stickers on every single album released in the Uk in the late 80's

Hi eric, please reread my post

heard a complaint until the 80's when cds came on the scene and DAT's quickly followed

But in the 70's and 60's hundreds of companies (who are owned by the same record compaines) were making money off the sale of analog recording gear

neither is the late 80's...

[Arglebargle]

The RIAA are a bunch of greedy bloodsucking bastards.

[Rellik]

In time people may understand that piracy is wrong

rellik you don't have a clue about wrongness.

do you have action figures of michael jackson or the beatles or something?

are they the official ones huh?

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I think most people feel that when someone creates something, they have a right to determine what is done with it. You may have other ideas, but I don't speak for you. I speak, generally, for my generation - you know, the digital one. That's the way most of us feel - piracy is a wrong that most people are beginning to grow out of (although piracy of music that is not currently being distributed or is overly priced is not frowned upon).

Software piracy is still as rampant as ever, though. I'm working on them, it's just very difficult. Give it time!

[kaden]

[Rellik]

The RIAA are a bunch of greedy bloodsucking bastards.

I can tell you factually that they are not. Go to headquarters in D.C. and tell them that to their faces, and give them a fair chance to respond, ffs.