best free multiband comp?

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stoobie wrote:Kylen, I've never understood exactly how this works. Do you know of any step by step tutorials on this subject? Or if it's a simple enough concept, can you provide a step by step?
Hi stoobie - this technique is based on the assumption that you really need to create highly isolated bands using steep filters as opposed to using conventional band-limited or frequency sensitive methods to manipulate your audio. Once you're past that border the thing is pretty simple...

Here's basically what I do. Listen to the track, submix, or mix that I've tried to balance conventionally. Does it really sound balanced - or does the ear pick up compression artifacts. Turn off the plugins that aren't working then and listen again. Is there anything sticking out of it too far that really catches the ear that you can pin down to a certain frequency range? If so then maybe breaking the spectrum down using steep isolating filters and rebalancing the dynamics and EQ (or anything else) will help. You get a different feel and sound in this multiband approach than you get with T-Racks MB Limiter (very gentle slopes - probably 1 pole or 6dB/octave, hehe I learned this today at KVR) or Sonitus MB compressor or Endorphin, for example.

Here's what I did to rebalance a previously recorded drum machine stereo submix that just wasn't working in the mix.

1. Listen to the full mix and drum stereo submix and try to hear what's wrong. The kick 'thud' was fighting the bass guitar so that would need isolation, the snare needed it's 'crack' adjusted, the hihat 'tic' was just plain irritating. So that told me I needed to deal in 3 freq bands - thud, crack, tic.
2. Where to set the crossovers? Voxengo SPAN gives me the ballpark then finetune it in FreEQ Boy. I decide on a 120Hz lowpass for the kick, snare midrange bandpass is 120Hz-10KHz, hi-hat treble highpass is 10KHz-20KHz.
3. Setup the 3 new drum bands. In Sonar4 I clone the drum stereo track 3x so there are now 4 drum tracks - leave the original drum track in tact to compare with the new drum submix that's being created, otherwise leave it muted. Insert FreEQ Boy into each of the 3 new drums tracks.
4. Create FreEQ Boy filters. Wide Boy (Paul) showed me how to do it in this thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... =freeq+boy

Open a notepad in Windows and save the following in individual '.txt' files.

This makes a 120Hz lowpass filter (lopass 120Hz.txt):

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0.0 0.0 0.0 
1.0 0.0 0.0 
1.0 1.0 1.0 
120.0 1.0 1.0 
120.0 0.0 0.0 
22050.0 0.0 0.0 


This makes a 120Hz-10KHz bandpass filter at about 100db/octave - very steep (mid bandpass 120to10KHz.txt):

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0.0 0.0 0.0 
120.0 0.0 0.0 
120.0 1.0 1.0 
10000.0 1.0 1.0 
10000.0 0.0 0.0 
22050.0 0.0 0.0 


This makes a 10KHz hipass (hipass 10KHz.txt):

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0.0 0.00000000 0.00000000
10000.0 0.00000000 0.00000000
10000.0 1.00000000 1.00000000
22050.0 1.00000000 1.00000000
5. Import the filters into FreEQ Boy, 1 filter per FreEQ Boy. See the same thread mentioned above. Choose 'rational' and import the '.txt' files you made into the appropriate tracks FreEQ Boy.[/code]

6. Now insert whatever dynamics plugin you like on the new drum-lopass, drum-mids, drum-hipass tracks after each FreEQ Boy. The inserted effect will control the range set by VreEQ Boy. Some compressor/limiters do better than others on bass. I was using PSP MixPressor on bands < 250 Hz since it handles bass really well. Now I just put Voxengo Elephant on any tracks I turn into multi-band since it is so transparent and responsive now with the EL-3 mode. And since Sonar4 handles plugin delay compensation I can put anything on any track without goofing it up (any worse than it already is...).

So this is why I made the comment earlier about a multi-band Elephant - it might even rival the new Waves L3 in this mode, who knows? With FreEQ Boy and a PDC host any plug is a steep-slope multiband now.

PS: Sorry for chewing up a lot of real estate yaking... :o

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Finbar Saunders wrote:
platinumears wrote:i don't think you will get any better than the Mackie compressors for free..
Link..?

:?: :?: :?:
http://www.mackie.com/products/tracktion2/index.html

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M'Snah wrote:
Finbar Saunders wrote:
platinumears wrote:i don't think you will get any better than the Mackie compressors for free..
Link..?

:?: :?: :?:
http://www.mackie.com/products/tracktion2/index.html
Thanks for the link M'Snah, but I don't see any free Mackie compressors there, just some info about Tracktion.

Platinumears, were you refering to the Mackie Final Mix plugin..? If so, that's not free, and the version that came with the free Traction is crippled (can't save presets - can't use in other hosts).

No matter... I was just curious.

BTW, any Logic users reading this, what do you think of the Multipressor..?

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Finbar Saunders wrote:Thanks for the link M'Snah, but I don't see any free Mackie compressors there, just some info about Tracktion.

Platinumears, were you refering to the Mackie Final Mix plugin..? If so, that's not free, and the version that came with the free Traction is crippled (can't save presets - can't use in other hosts).
I was refering to Final Mix (Which can save presets btw), and also the other Mackie compressors (including a powerful 3-band version) which are included with the T2 demo (and also work unrestricted in T1)

These are free if you're a Tracktion user.. and I happen to know the thread starter is one! ;)

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Tracktion is also free if you've paid for it... :) Anything mackie or jules adds "for free" in tracktion, has already been paid for or will be paid for by the users. To me, free does not mean "included with this, but you ofcourse have to pay for the whole package" :)

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Free to me means "something you do not have to pay for".. which, in the case of the thread-starter, includes the compressors Mackie have included with the T2 demo, as they will work freely in his copy of T1. :shrug:

Myabe they aren't free to you.. :shrug:

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Yeah, I guess. He has already paid for them kindof, so he might be better off using them :)

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Both Final Mix and Tracktion were free for me (an NFR user says)
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Tractions multiband comp are good. But you can't use T1 effects in other programs. A lot of software is like that. You can't use Majix DX effects in other programs or with other majix programs. You can't use Cubase effects in other programs. The cubase comp is rather good. I wonder with the new T2 third party bundle whether they can be used in other programs.

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Ultrafunks multiband comp is the one i like most followed by Waves C4..Ultrafunks is a way cheaper though.


http://store.yahoo.com/cakewalkdirect/sonitus.html


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Rangtangtang wrote:I wonder with the new T2 third party bundle whether they can be used in other programs.
I'm pretty sure that's a no.. ;) I haven't tried though: I prefer Tracktion to all the other options anyway. :shrug:

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platinumears wrote:I was refering to Final Mix (Which can save presets btw), and also the other Mackie compressors (including a powerful 3-band version) which are included with the T2 demo (and also work unrestricted in T1)

These are free if you're a Tracktion user.. and I happen to know the thread starter is one! ;)
Thanks for clearing that up platinumears.

I have the NFR Tracktion and I can find no way to save Final Mix presets in that. I'm looking on the Final Mix GUI, it seems to be disabled. Is the 'save preset' command somewhere else..?

:?

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Build your own multiband compressor..

Use Borogove's tiny splitter & them use any compressor you want afterwards..That gives you more flexibility in what compressor you actually use as there's more free compressors out there than multiband..It also would allow you to use different compressors per band..

ahh..

if you're a tracktion user, build this in the filter rack thingamajig, or do it in eXT loaded as a VSTfx..

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Finbar Saunders wrote:I have the NFR Tracktion and I can find no way to save Final Mix presets in that. I'm looking on the Final Mix GUI, it seems to be disabled. Is the 'save preset' command somewhere else..?

:?
Menu -> save user preset as

If that doesn't work there's something wrong.

btw, if you have an NFR Tracktion its worth Downloading the T2 demo just for the new compressor plugs, which I've become very fond of.. theres also a new Final Mix which cures a bug when using the EQ sections at high sample-rates.

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Its not free but you gotta mention Elemental Audio Systems 'Neodynium'!!!
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