Does Kontakt have "key activates sample" like Hali

[alan alda jnr.]

Well, does it? For my drum kits, I want to be able to hit a key on my keyboard for a tom for instance, then when i move the filter knob, the tom gets affected. Is this possible in Kontakt? It seems as though everything else is, but this is important to me. So, kontakt users...

Thanks a lot

[fizbin]

Not sure exactly what you mean but you can assign effects to one or more samples (a group) independently of the rest. You can also switch samples or groups on and off with keys.

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[alan alda jnr.]

I mean in halion you can set it so that when you play a sample it becomes the currently selected sample for editing. Then when you edit via midi cc that last sample is the one changed. Then if you hit a different sample you can start editing that with the same midi cc knob.

So if you want to edit a whole lot of samples individually (e.g. a drum kit) you can hit the corresponding keys on your midi keyboard, and then start moving your knobs on your controller to make changes, instead of mucking around with the gui. This is called "key activates sample" in Halion, and it is so efficient that doing it another way seems silly to me. I know kontakt has a different architecture, but if you have your midi cc mapping set for the entire multi, then its just down to if you can select the sample by playing the corresponding note on your keyboard. thanks

[alan alda jnr.]

:bump:

[pethu]

Yes, there's a "select zone via MIDI button" in the Mapping Editor: Activate it, and the keyboard selects the zone (sample) played. Haven't tried editing via controller, but there seems to be plenty of options for connecting knobs and sliders to MIDI CC's...

[alan alda jnr.]

thanks, this is exactly what i was looking for!

[Sascha Franck]

You can only assign MIDI controllers to a somewhat limited number of parameters.
Your example of tweaking the filter of a given (and only that) sample would only work in case the sample was in its own group. There's no "filter per sample" mode, just a "filter per group" mode.
So, prior to tweaking you'd have to send your samples to different groups.
And, editing per MIDI CC will allways effect all groups parameters,

[alan alda jnr.]

so you can't set it so that only the selected group receives the cc info?

In Halion you can select "all" or "selected" for this function. If "all", the cc gets sent to all samples in the program or "instrument" in Kontakt. If "selected" only the selected sample(s) get the cc data. This may seem complicated, and it is in a way, but it's about simplicity. I want to be able to go bang, hit the sample i want, move the param with my fingers, and move on. I really want to move to kontakt for the flexibility and the content mainly, but Halion saves you a lot of mousing around.

Have you got any ideas Sascha of how I could do what i want to in kontakt?

[alan alda jnr.]

does anyone know if kontakt can be set so only the currently selected gorup is affected by cc data? It seems simple to me... anyone???

thanks

[pethu]

does anyone know if kontakt can be set so only the currently selected group is affected by cc data? It seems simple to me... anyone???

thanks

Err, yes, your friendly tester to the rescue... good way to learn about this stuff in any case...

The way controller mapping is handled seems to bugger this up: You have to assign each controller separately to each group and function you wish to use it for. So, when I try to control a filter present in both Group 1 and Group 2 from CC #83, I end up with these two entries in the Automation mapper:


#83 assigned to:

Parameter Inst. Group

Cutoff Drums Group 1
Cutoff Drums Group 2


Now, unless there's a "Controllers only affect group being edited" switch somewhere that has escaped me, whenever CC 83 is altered, it will sadly affect both groups...

[Sascha Franck]

Sorry for not replying earlier - but pethu is spot on with what he's saying. I don't think there's anything such as a "Controllers only affect group being edited" function.
While this doesn't affect my personal way of working too much, I can surely understand how it could be very useful for some people.
I'll try and forward this to certain people - whether this could be implemented or whether K2's engine wouldn't allow for it is beyond my knowledge.

[alan alda jnr.]

cool. It seems that it would be a common thing to me: anyone who would want to control the same param in different groups individually. One more question, does the same happen for instruments, i.e. if I move the knob that's mapped to cutoff, will every filter in every instrument in the multi follow?

thanks a lot for the responses guys!

[Sascha Franck]

One more question, does the same happen for instruments, i.e. if I move the knob that's mapped to cutoff, will every filter in every instrument in the multi follow?

Individual instruments do have individual control assignments, so that's no problem.

[alan alda jnr.]

thanks again, although it seems like I'll stick with halion for a while