KVR Audio

ghost666 · Post by **ghost666** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:50 am

Wicked! Salivating... in anticipation!

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:55 am

WoW

GUI is beautiful. if it sounds like it looks and how you describe it, i'll be first in line to buy. Waiting for the demo

peace!

nick at artsacoustic · Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:05 am

TotcProductions wrote:WoW GUI is beautiful. if it sounds like it looks and how you describe it, i'll be first in line to buy. Waiting for the demo

peace!

the green ones are mp3 audio demos ??

and yes, we (of course

) find that it sounds the way it looks like.
please check the demo mp3`s for now.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:09 am

nick at artsacoustic wrote:
TotcProductions wrote:WoW GUI is beautiful. if it sounds like it looks and how you describe it, i'll be first in line to buy. Waiting for the demo

peace!
the green ones are mp3 audio demos ??
and yes, we (of course ) find that it sounds the way it looks like.
please check the demo mp3`s for now.

No, i agree...the demo mp3's sound very nice. I'm just the type that needs to really play with it and try it on my own material....(do alot of sound programming if you've noticed.

)...I'll tell you what though, if you can pull me away from my Spin Audio Roomverb M2 with this thing, you've got my attention.....and if you can even come close to matching the Eventide hardware at my studio, you've got a guaranteed customer.

peace!

Toonyfish · Post by **Toonyfish** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:10 am

jtxx000 wrote:
Toonyfish wrote:
nick at artsacoustic wrote:
The ArtsAcoustic Reverb is scheduled for release in may 2005.
price will be 189 euro.

ahh... that's what i get for not reading.

nick at artsacoustic · Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:14 am

TotcProductions wrote: No, i agree...the demo mp3's sound very nice. I'm just the type that needs to really play with it and try it on my own material....(do alot of sound programming if you've noticed. )...I'll tell you what though, if you can pull me away from my Spin Audio Roomverb M2 with this thing, you've got my attention.....and if you can even come close to matching the Eventide hardware at my studio, you've got a guaranteed customer.

peace!

ahh ok, sorry.
i diddn`t know you were aware of the mp3`s

.
well, you are right, indeed, with saying that you have to play around with your own material. but i hope you will be convinced soon.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:34 am

What about the CPU requirements (roughly)?

I liked some demo sounds a lot - the first and second acoustic guitar ones are really great, no unwanted responses on all the slappy string stops.
Also the "Rhodes dreamy" one is cool, almost makes the Rhodes sound like a layered Rhodes/Pad patch.

Oh, and what will the authorisation scheme be like? Please don't tell me it'll be another challenge/response one... and if so, how about multiple authorisations?

MrTom · Post by **MrTom** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:56 am

I just listened to the WIZOO demo too and i am not quite sure, which one I like more (maybe I would vote for W2, but it is difficult based on demos only).

I think both do not reach the quality of expensive hardware units, but it is again a step closer to the mid class units like M3000.

Every few months a new reverb is coming out which is better than current ones (Princeton, Plate140, VSS3).
So, in 2 years we all will have the 480L and M6000 reverbs on a laptop, which would be nice,

I am just curious, that the artsacoustic reverb tries to save cpu. Couldn't we get an option button to waste cpu for the sake of quality ?

nick at artsacoustic · Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:58 am

Sascha Franck wrote:What about the CPU requirements (roughly)?

I liked some demo sounds a lot - the first and second acoustic guitar ones are really great, no unwanted responses on all the slappy string stops.
Also the "Rhodes dreamy" one is cool, almost makes the Rhodes sound like a layered Rhodes/Pad patch.

Oh, and what will the authorisation scheme be like? Please don't tell me it'll be another challenge/response one... and if so, how about multiple authorisations?

thanks first of all.

about the cpu usage: i cannot make a detailed statement (because of legal issues), as it differs a lot on different machines/cpu`s/chipset drivers/ memory and all that.
but it takes way less than a convolution reverb, especially with longer decays.
and it stays like this no matter how hard you tweak it.
in our opinion it is very low on the cpu compared to it`s quality. lets say it like this:
you will be able to do complete vst only productions with it on an up to date machine. at least we do it all the time.
if your machine is very slow (such as non sse or very old cpu`s), there still is a "low quality mode", wich will take even less cpu cycles and in our opinion still sounds better than many vst reverbs calculated by the cpu itself (not a dsp card).
but reverb is allways a matter of taste, so no offense at all.
would you mind telling me wich machine you have ?

in terms of copyprotection:
no, you will not be bothered by challenge response.

it will be serialed.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:14 am

nick at artsacoustic wrote: would you mind telling me wich machine you have ?

- Desktop: Athlon XP 2800+, 1GB RAM.
- Laptop: P4 3GHz (dumb decision performance-, heat- and therefor noisewise, but the most rock solid system I ever owned), 512MB RAM (soon 1GB).

in terms of copyprotection:
no, you will not be bothered by challenge response.
it will be serialed.

That's great. Of course you'll see cracks floating around quickly, but as every product is cracked anyways... at least you won't add potential harm to your legit users, IMO a very nice thing!

Regards,
Sascha

nick at artsacoustic · Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:17 am

MrTom wrote: I am just curious, that the artsacoustic reverb tries to save cpu. Couldn't we get an option button to waste cpu for the sake of quality ?

we are allways working on this. of course we could have made a reverb that eats your cpu. but we doubt that this would make sense atm. as the productions are made more and more completely in realtime on a computer, cpu optimizing is necessary, and sadly there is a limit. the ArtsAcoustic Reverb is designed in that matter:
maximum quality vs. minimum cpu usage.
we think we pretty much got underneath the threshold comparing to it`s quality.
lets see what the future comes up with ...

nick at artsacoustic · Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:23 am

Sascha Franck wrote: - Desktop: Athlon XP 2800+, 1GB RAM.
- Laptop: P4 3GHz (dumb decision performance-, heat- and therefor noisewise, but the most rock solid system I ever owned), 512MB RAM (soon 1GB).

i think you won`t have any problems, then ...

Sascha Franck wrote: That's great. Of course you'll see cracks floating around quickly, but as every product is cracked anyways... at least you won't add potential harm to your legit users, IMO a very nice thing!

yes, of course we are aware of the crack issue, but IOO warez users are not potential customers anyway. however, we don`t try to push the customers too hard in terms of copy protection, at least those are the ones who support developers.
why harming them, if they are the ones, who treat us in a correct way ...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:48 am

nick at artsacoustic wrote: yes, of course we are aware of the crack issue, but IOO warez users are not potential customers anyway. however, we don`t try to push the customers too hard in terms of copy protection, at least those are the ones who support developers.
why harming them, if they are the ones, who treat us in a correct way ...

That's the right spirit, IMO!
SUPPORT your current (or potential) customers instead of facing them with potential harm - which might be a result of any existing copy protection scheme. I've allready seen machines simply not running C/R protected software anymore after a small hardware update (Waves), I've also seen some broken dongles (Nuendo) and I've seen non working and non copyable authorisation CDs (B4) as well.
All they do is harm the legit users while not actually protecting anything at all (as things will be cracked anyways) - sad, but defenitely true.

Thanks again, I wish you all the luck possible with this reverb, even if it was for the protection issues alone (not sure whether I'll buy it, but it surely sounds tempting, just a bit much on the good old wallet for now).

Regards,
Sascha

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:30 am

Hear hear! I'm glad to hear developers side with customers on this! Great to have you guys and a company as big as Cakewalk still sticking with trust. If people are gonna crack it, they're gonna crack it - no matter what.

PS: Can't wait to try your reverb, Nick!

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:38 am

The few mp3 demos I listened to were quite impressive. At $189 I still won't be a customer, not because I think the price is unfair (it's a bargain compared to other recent releases, and the sounds seems spectacular so far!) but simply because I have a budget for my hobby, and this isn't part of it. But I DO wish you and your company all the best of luck!

Greg

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