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The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:44 am

I mean besides rap/hip hop, of coarse. Just wondering if my next investment should go towards a new host.

In the Hosts catagory, I've heard 2 statements a lot:

1) FLStudio sucks and it is not capable of creating professional quality music.

2) FLStudio is great, and the only reason you would get an amature result is if you do amature stuff with it.

What are everyone's thoughts? What's the most professional song made with FL that you can think of?

The only other host I have put a considerable amount of time into was Reason 1

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:54 am

You're gonna trade in FLStudio for Reason 1?!

But seriously, is there something that you're trying to do with your music that FLStudio cant do? If you can make music how you want to make it then why switch to something else?

xander · Post by **xander** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:02 am

I guess it's a decent question if you're not too familiar with FLS or DAW hosts in general. I have used it to produce musical scores for three films and four tv shows here in China. I got paid (though not so much by Western pay-rate standards) so I guess it means professional use.

THe studios at CCTV do the final mixing - audio/video mastering, so I just provide a flat dual-channel mix to them. So far, so good. It does what you want it to as far as controlling midi and sequencing various VSTi with a clean 48k output, so otherwise, I wouldn't know what else to say.

I still call it "Fruityloops" though -- much to Gol's & Jan Marie's displeasure I think

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:04 am

AD80 wrote:You're gonna trade in FLStudio for Reason 1?!

No No No thats not what i meant at all. I meant to say the last time I've used another host was reason when it was at version 1.

But seriously, is there something that you're trying to do with your music that FLStudio cant do? If you can make music how you want to make it then why switch to something else?

No but certain hosts tend to have advantages when other certain hosts tend to advant in being professional. I remember how preofessional reason felt.

EDIT-Oh yea, and I have used FL since 2.0

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:32 am

Chase wrote:
AD80 wrote:You're gonna trade in FLStudio for Reason 1?!
No No No thats not what i meant at all. I meant to say the last time I've used another host was reason when it was at version 1.

Sorry I missunderstood.

FLStudio is more than capable of making professional music. I dont know of any major songs produced in FL but that doesnt mean that they dont exist.

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:29 am

First you have to define what professional means. A garage band using lo-tech equipment sends out a demo tape and then gets signed to a tiny record label and releases an indy album that sells well enough for them to live off of--some would consider that professional.

Then, there are people who work as professional composers and producers at highend studios, doing tracks for big record companies--for some, that's professional.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:56 am

I have a problem with FL.
FL tends to "color" music.
When I listen to songs on-line I can usually tell the ones that were made in FL.

Part of the reason is that most people use the same included plugs but still I did not liked the "FL color" creeping on my songs.

I use Tracktion now and sometimes the FL demo that I can't delete

cause it came with no unistall file

.... shame on them.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:13 am

Lunatique wrote:First you have to define what professional means. A garage band using lo-tech equipment sends out a demo tape and then gets signed to a tiny record label and releases an indy album that sells well enough for them to live off of--some would consider that professional.

Then, there are people who work as professional composers and producers at highend studios, doing tracks for big record companies--for some, that's professional.

By professional I mean top-notch production.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:18 am

Chase wrote: By professional I mean top-notch production.

For that you need talent. Doesnt matter what you use to a certain amount. FL is capable of producing anything if you are

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:20 am

Kriminal wrote:
Chase wrote: By professional I mean top-notch production.
For that you need talent. Doesnt matter what you use to a certain amount. FL is capable of producing anything if you are

Ah, arguement #2. I think I agree, but I'm not suure yet.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:20 am

is that topnotch as in 'the strokes' or as in Billy Joel

Ian B · Post by **Ian B** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:21 am

AndrewSimon wrote:I use Tracktion now and sometimes the FL demo that I can't delete cause it came with no unistall file .... shame on them.

It's simply a matter of deleting the FL demo. The only reason there was no uninstall, is it would increase the download size by, IIRC, something like 9mb. They've included one with the latest version's tho' so I expect you could download latest FLS demo, install over your old demo, then uninstall

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:29 am

if you use all the simple cheesy low-quality sounds that come bundled with fl then it'll sound like a simple cheesy low-quality production done on fl. if you use fl merely as a sequencer and host then it'll sound like whatever you put into it. its sequencing powers are excellent, especially (no surprise here) for loop creation.

xander · Post by **xander** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:34 am

AndrewSimon wrote:I have a problem with FL.
FL tends to "color" music.
When I listen to songs on-line I can usually tell the ones that were made in FL.

Part of the reason is that most people use the same included plugs but still I did not liked the "FL color" creeping on my songs.

I use Tracktion now and sometimes the FL demo that I can't delete cause it came with no unistall file .... shame on them.

Sorry - can't agree with that at all.. "color" your sound? Maybe if you use the same native FL plugs you can spot them, maybe... But I'll bet you lots of money that if I do a song in Sonar and then one in Traction and then one in FLS you would not be able to tell me which one was FLS because it had some sort of tell-tale audio property. The fact that most people take the split wav files mix out of FLS and mix them in an outboard editor like Wavelab, Soundforge, Audition, etc., then add compression, various filters, EQ and FX makes this statement even more doubtful.

You sure maybe the "color" isn't coming out of that splif you're lighting up?

trip · Post by **trip** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:34 am

go to the fl-homepage/extras.
some artist are listed there. the most famous is mike oldfield i guess...

Is any profressional music actually made with FLStudio?