Is any profressional music actually made with FLStudio?

[hoffy]

Actually, the piano roll is shit- it can't even be resized easily, and has an archaic method of duplicating notes. It backs up the project you are working on when u save it, but it doesn't save it every 10 minutes (for example) to a new file or give you the option of opening a previous version if the program crashed while you were last using it

obviously i would use effects that aren't native to FL, but i still expect good bread-and-butter effects in a host- Cubase & Logic have very nice stuff indeed.

it does not have non-destructive audio editing, and i doubt you even know what the f**k that is

[hoffy]

oh ok, you can use the Sampler window to do a few small things, like pathetic sounding time stretching and a bit of distortion, but i wouldn't call that "editing"

and as for using the arrange page (or whatever they call it) to edit an audio file.....

oh, and 64 "mixer" tracks? give me a f**king break.

[DavenH]

If anyone doesn't know what he is talking about it's you.
Shit piano roll indeed.

[hoffy]

Oh, and the stupid thing doesn't even support multi-channel plugins....

the best thing about Fruity Loops is it is so easy to stir up its users. I'm convinced 90% of the FL fans spend more time defending their software of choice on internet forums than actually writing music. And i love the fact that whenever someone asks if anyone professional uses it on a forum, inevitably the first post or so is going to be someone saying "Yeah, Mike Oldfield!!!" like he's been of any relevance for the last 20 years, or they point to some braindead ambient-electronic-experimental act that no one knows (or cares) about.

oh, and i might point out that i'm a registered FL user myself. I like the software very much, but i would be f**ked if i was using it without a real sequencer next to it . My 2 cents =).

[The Chase]

edit-too late

[xander]

Oh, and the stupid thing doesn't even support multi-channel plugins....

F'n hell -- what planet did you say you were from?

[tony tony chopper]

The most highend, complex and sophisticated music that comes to mind is full-blown orchestral music, and I don't know any respected composers that use FL for orchestral scores.

I wouldn't much respect any orchestral music made with anything but a real orchestra (for the simple reason that there's no convincing soft emulation of even just a violin), but now here's a very nice piece of orchestral music made with (a rather old version of) FL:

http://remix.kwed.org/download.php/1356 ... phonic.mp3

Actually, the piano roll is shit- it can't even be resized easily, and has an archaic method of duplicating notes. It backs up the project you are working on when u save it, but it doesn't save it every 10 minutes (for example) to a new file or give you the option of opening a previous version if the program crashed while you were last using it

you just don't know how to use it, that's all. With a keystroke you save an auto-incremented version of your project, with another you reload older projects. Archaic method of duplicating notes? Why?

[The Chase]

Actually, the piano roll is shit- it can't even be resized easily

to resize events in the PR, hold shift and drag, quantize if needed (is that what you're talking about?).

and has an archaic method of duplicating notes

Like clicking with your mouse? what do you mean?

It backs up the project you are working on when u save it, but it doesn't save it every 10 minutes (for example) to a new file

then save every 10 minutes, silly buns.

or give you the option of opening a previous version if the program crashed while you were last using it

Yes, that would be nice. cooledit did that in '98, so FL certainly should by now.

obviously i would use effects that aren't native to FL, but i still expect good bread-and-butter effects in a host- Cubase & Logic have very nice stuff indeed.

I have never used cubase, and have only played with logic for 15 minutes at my school, but the effects in FLStudio are awesome in my oppinion. The vocoder, chorus, flanger, and phaser sound great if tuned right, and also it comes with many simple, helpful effects like a real-time DC offset centerer, stereo enhancer, peak controller, etc.

it does not have non-destructive audio editing, and i doubt you even know what the f**k that is

I use Audition (mapped through FL so it appears on the drop down menu of a sampler channel), but every single audio editor ever made has a non-destructive function, and it is called 'save as...'

[Lunatique]

I wouldn't much respect any orchestral music made with anything but a real orchestra (for the simple reason that there's no convincing soft emulation of even just a violin), but now here's a very nice piece of orchestral music made with (a rather old version of) FL:

http://remix.kwed.org/download.php/1356 ... phonic.mp3

Have you heard some of the newer sample libraries like Kirk Hunter's for solo violin? People have done some really impressive stuff with Synful too.

That orchestral piece is pretty nice. Do you know what the sounds used were? I've never heard anyone do orchestral stuff with FL. It must've been a real pain in the ass dealing with pattern sequencing that way.

[tony tony chopper]

It must've been a real pain in the ass dealing with pattern sequencing that way.

He was using a very old version of FL at that time, so yes it must have been a pain in the ass. Basically he only used single-hit samples (no soundbank, but a ton of sampler channels), and probably not many piano roll editing features at that time. But he did it..

(and he made this one too:
http://remix.kwed.org/download.php/1456 ... ntures.mp3)

But orchestral is very doable in FL. If you don't like the concept of patterns, just work in the piano roll in 1 giant pattern that covers the whole song.

[tony tony chopper]

IMO orchestral music is very doable with software when it's based on 'power', hits, and good (logical) layering of instruments, but now if you have a solo part.. it'll start to show that you're not using real instruments.

[Modeler]

I was going to link to the Glyn R. Brown track myself. Strange how nobody has yet mentioned that FL was voted OVERALL PRODUCT OF THE YEAR on this site.

Just because the developers having slapped an arbitrary mega-bucks price tag on it doesn't mean it cannot be taken seriously.

Every version of Cubase I have ever used on a PC has had a 'thrown together' feel about it with absolutely no attention to detail; but it must be good - look at how expensive it is.

[Yagushi]

Yagushi -

Why would you use Fruity when Sonar does everything Fruity can do and then some, especially when Sonar is fully capable of handling all of the other VSTi's that you're mixing in with your Fruity compositions? I'm not trying to be a dick, man... just curious. Seems like alot of messing around for what you could accomplish in either Sonar or Fruity by itself.

I like the way FL "flows" (for lack of a better word) compared to Sonar...at least, for me, in terms of tweaking, automating, pattern sequencing, etc. (I agree with Rellik about the piano roll; much nicer than Sonar's...IMHO) But I really like Sonar's multi-track recording better than FL's clunky method...

[Cabinfever]

still nothing beats fl studio imho when it comes to creating loops for use in bigger hosts. and there are things about the piano roll i definitely prefer over sonar too.

as for the subject of this thread: i make money writing music, and some of the music is made with fl studio. but so what ? doesn't really prove anything does it ?

[dazzer]

ive got flstudio producer edition 5.2 and love it. it depends on what you like and how you use it that makes the difference.if you dont like it dont use it. its not allways the host but the pc in which we use.