KVR Audio

Churchy · Post by **Churchy** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:39 pm

i forgot to add - i still use cubase sx2 for my own production at home; i dont like protools for MIDI

FlounderEye · Post by **FlounderEye** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:43 pm

Churchy wrote: and it is FAR SUPERIOR for audio editing; i can work sooooo much faster & more efficient with it

My sentiment exactly. Editing audio in Protools is a delight, whereas the equivalent work in Sonar can be very frustrating.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:43 pm

It's important to note my first reply. I am also a long time Cubase user but have used PT and other production systems for a long time.

The M-Box setup is NOT PT. And, you will be better off with Logic, Cubase, Tracktion, etc... than you would with that bastardized setup.

But, people who trash PT are typically unaware of how it works in a production facility and only know the watered down "home" version (if they aren't just bashing it because it's popular to do so, like Microsoft bashing).

Don't get me wrong though, there are a TON of great features in Cubase and the rest that are not available in a production house configuration of a PT HD rig. That's why they have the other options available in-house.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:04 pm

Ans some people are forgetting the main point. As SJ Digriz mentioned...time is money. PT is rock solid....the last thing any studio wants or needs is their main system to crash. Many studios will forego the odd feature etc as long as the gear they buy works...and works every time they fire it up.

PT and any other of the competitors (I always thought it was a shame that Soundscape never really took off more than they did) aren't bought because of the front end and the software features...although certainly PT has some great s/w. It's bought mainly because it's reliable. To be honest, you can have more weird and wonderful processing going on with a couple of power PCs and every DSP card + plugin known to mankind. But you still cannot rely on it to work 100% of the time. It might work 99.9% of the time (if you're incredibly lucky), but you can guarantee that the 0.1% time it fails is the one that loses you a big contract. If you're spending $10,000s you are not going to put up with crashes and failed systems. There are loads of studios that all have good outboard, sound treated rooms, booths, decent engineers etc - you can go to any other one easily if a particular studio is charging you for that half-hour that their PC died. And if you're on a tight schedule...you decide...would you trust a PC or a Mac if your deal depended on it?

For home use...no point really. Even for professional use only by yourself, there's still not that much point. But a studio can be running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I don't know anyone's PC that can reliably do that (at least not one that has enough different s/w and formats onboard to cope with anything you throw at it).

It's a professional tool...and that means it's not necessarily the same features you look for in private use. At home it's all about a particular sound, or value for money, or something that fits in with a particular system. The two are not the same (although obviously for pro use, you do still want those things).

Churchy · Post by **Churchy** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:15 pm

hmm i wouldnt actually go so far as to say PT is 'rock solid'

i crash it a couple of times each day, and this is TDM 6.4

not to mention i often get an annoying error telling me that whatever i am trying to process is supposed to have 48 channels or something stupid :/

jack-the-pipe · Post by **jack-the-pipe** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:43 pm

ThaNKs for The quiCk reSponses guys... I was worried About stabilitY at first, but I have a Mac G5 now. 3GB rAm. I ruN all my instruMents on PC so Im sure itll be streamlined... good luck 2 u all

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:49 pm

Pro tools crashes! Even on an optimized mac G4. Running HD. All softwares do. Ive worked on a lot of PT HD systems (and a few LE ones too). All crash.

The deal is is thats a lot simpler to ensure a fully compatible Mac system (which will run comparitively stabler) than a PC.

aldi · Post by **aldi** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:07 am

? i thought a mac would never crash ?

i will add that pt have it's strenghts like the big big productions, but only because of it's hardware. and even there are alternativ daw-hardware platforms. the software you have to choose is the one with the best workflow for you !!

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:13 am

aldi wrote:? i thought a mac would never crash ?

That makes you happy doesnt it... wicked people!!

Armadillo · Post by **Armadillo** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:46 am

I'd actually like to try it out just so that when one of the studios want to hire me at least I can say: "of course I know it like the back of my hand". But PT Free only works on Win98 it seems

Do I really need to go out and buy 98 and install it on my pc just to get a look at Pro Tools?

HHaynes · Post by **HHaynes** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:56 am

kritikon wrote:PT is rock solid....

Sorry - that whole line is just plain bullshit. PT is **not** more or less solid than any other audio app. Period. It's just another audio app like any other, with it's own strengths and weaknesses - and no amount of hyper-mythologizing will change that.

It's just another system.

What makes PT so compelling to so many places is the PERCEPTION that it is rock solid.

I have a dual-PC setup that's running Nuendo 3 on one machine and Cubase SX 2.2 on the other, using VST System Link between them. I have the Nuendo box loaded down with Garritan Personal Orchestra and about eght instances of Ethnosphere with Voxengo Pristine Space running a Garritan impulse - not to mention uncompressed video streaming off of a spare drive to an embedded window on a spare monitor. On the Cubase machine I have Virtual Guitarist, Broomstick Bass, HALion3.1 running Scarbee RSP and SID, and several instances of iZotope's Trash. Do you know how long I've had this setup running? about 11 days.

The last time either of these systems crashed? January 19. (I remember because it made me late to a birthday party)

"Rock solid" is in the setup of the beholder...

Twoflower · Post by **Twoflower** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:08 am

mmenta1 wrote:ThaNKs for The quiCk reSponses guys... I was worried About stabilitY at first, but I have a Mac G5 now. 3GB rAm. I ruN all my instruMents on PC so Im sure itll be streamlined... good luck 2 u all

That's an impressive sounding Mac you got there mmenta1, but you might want to get your capslock key fixed

cthmusic · Post by **cthmusic** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:11 am

Ive tried out just about all of them for music producing and scoring. I use Logic because it is extremely customizable. I can create any kind of enviroment I could imagine for my hard/soft synths and then save it as the main startup or a production template. Plus, all the commands are assignable to key strokes.

Bottom line: What gets the job done for you the quickest ( or most inspirationally!) is the DAW that you need to choose

cthmusic · Post by **cthmusic** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:13 am

BTW: I run a G5 dual 2ghz with 3GigRam. Still Crashes

Mac stability becomes an illusion when your working in audio! But then again, windows boxes crash by them selves

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:16 am

Armadillo wrote:I'd actually like to try it out just so that when one of the studios want to hire me at least I can say: "of course I know it like the back of my hand". But PT Free only works on Win98 it seems Do I really need to go out and buy 98 and install it on my pc just to get a look at Pro Tools?

PT free will give you a good feel of PT (thought the 6.x versions are a lot slicker)

Sidhu

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