KVR Audio

Kennic · Post by **Kennic** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:05 pm

For example,
I record vocal for a movie, a man is talking in a room, 5-10 meters from the microphone, when i re-record voice in the studio, its sound "near".
So how or which VST effect that can simulate the sound-in-distance?

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:06 pm

reverb?

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:07 pm

or just lower the volume...

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:08 pm

also, reduce the bass if there's too much of a proximity effect from the mic.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:18 pm

Kennic wrote:when i re-record voice in the studio, its sound "near".

Why not just step away from the microphone?

IainF · Post by **IainF** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:03 pm

There are a number of things that give us the idea that sound is farther or closer to us.

1) The volume of the sound. The farther the sound is form us the quieter it will be.
2) The level of reverb, as sounds get further away the level of the direct sound drops but the level of reverb stays the same, so the impression is that the reverb gets louder.
3) Short Pre-delay on reverb. Because far away sounds are closer to relfective surfaces (generally speaking) the pre-delay is shorter.
4) Less high frequency content. High frequencies tend to beam out in one direction from a sound source, the further away we are the more chance they are not 'beaming' at Us

Also, as mentioned before, close miking gives us the proximity effect. A boost in bass. If you mic realy close to the lips, then you get a lot of the sound of the lips and tounge, like someone is whispering in your ear.

I agree with shamann, the best solution is to step away from the mic. If you can't for some reason then try turning the mic away from the vocalist/voice so that you are off axis to the mic. this should have the effect of rolling off high frequencies.

If it already recorded and you can't re-record, then try some of the above methods.

lawapa · Post by **lawapa** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:27 pm

Depending on the space you recorded the original. To slavage your voiceovers the Acoustic mirror plug in SoundForge can do this very well. A large selection of spaces is provided and you can if you chose to make your own impluse. Distance can be approximated by mixing in the voiceover signal at different levels. I will assume most convolution reverbs can do this as well.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:48 am

Yes - grap a copy of SIR (freeware) and grab some free impulses from www.noisevault.com. This would give you a huge range of reverbs for all sizes of room.

Rajah · Post by **Rajah** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:35 am

greendoor wrote:Yes - grap a copy of SIR (freeware) and grab some free impulses from www.noisevault.com. This would give you a huge range of reverbs for all sizes of room.

yep, Convolution reverbs.

sirocco · Post by **sirocco** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:42 am

try 3d panner studio

i highly reccomend it.

kilroy · Post by **kilroy** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:00 am

The quick and dirty way to get what you are after is to set up a reverb of your choice on a auxiliary, and send it some of the track signal from a *pre*-fader send on that track.

Now when you lower the channel fader on your source track you can control the relative "distance' effect.

The reverb should be set to fully wet mix...and make sure that the send on the source channel is switched pre fader, not the usual default post fade setting.

Aktion · Post by **Aktion** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:41 am

reverb with outdoor preset + lowpass filter for distance cue simulating

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:41 am

For very-long-distance simulations ( church bells for instance ) you may take consideration of phase distortions created by the wind

I would personally use a good, slow and transparent, stereo phaser ( like the one in Logic ) to be applied discreectly a the very end of the process chain

but they may exist some more sophisticated solution...

( anyone who would try u-he filterscape on that purpose, for example ? )

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:15 am

Krakatau wrote:For very-long-distance simulations ( church bells for instance ) you may take consideration of phase distortions created by the wind

I would personally use a good, slow and transparent, stereo phaser ( like the one in Logic ) to be applied discreectly a the very end of the process chain

but they may exist some more sophisticated solution...

( anyone who would try u-he filterscape on that purpose, for example ? )

There is a short, musical soundscape wrote quickly on logic to demonstate what i intend to tell you

http://www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/bells.mp3 (1.9 M )

Which VST effect can simulate " sound in a distance&