Every time I export an audiomixdown in cubase it sounds crap

[davor]

My ears are obviously more knowlegable than yours. But if you can't hear the difference between the summing up of different daws that's not my problem but yours. Do you know what john Vestman's credentials are? Check his web site.

The discussion above was not about different DAW's, the discussion was about audible differences between listening to the sequencer while playing and listening to a rendered file,

I do agree with Stefancrs about summing, though.

Of course. We all do. Minus 1

Can you read? I'll quote it once again for you:

"I suggest that artists can bring in their computer so that we avoid the degradation of "rendering" a 2 track mix internally in a hard disc system. The hard disc systems cause some quality loss due to the software's mix engine that blends all those tracks down into two." (John Vestman)


The above qoute doesn't refer to any specific daw, but to all daws, just to clear it out for you. I'm sorry if that insults you. If you make living doing sound engineering then perhaps your customers should be offended. That's just a thought.

[bduffy]

No one's insulted. But almost all of John Vestman's comments are still subjective - it's just his opinion. He thinks something sounds different; that doesn't mean it is. I think it's interesting, and he may be correct, but I have never heard an audible difference between mixdowns and the normal mix.

Besides, it's not the issue, anyway. Equi's got a serious problem there.

[M'Snah]

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[ericj23]

Loved vestman's quote about how can a songs playback from disk sound different if you place the computer on the floor or on other surfaces

lets see timecoded audio that the computer knows is correct all the way to the dac - so dacs are susceptable to vibration

or

the noise coming from the computer changes slightly - thus affecting the 3 guys perception

This is a great quote too

"I suggest that artists can bring in their computer so that we avoid the degradation of "rendering" a 2 track mix internally in a hard disc system. The hard disc systems cause some quality loss due to the software's mix engine that blends all those tracks down into two." (John Vestman)

and is he going to explain how he sums the tracks without degradation on some hardware dsp system (which works the exact same way)

Oh wait hes not selling time using his analogue desks and equipment is he ?


PS sorry to the original poster - defintely sounds like something is badly wrong -

[davor]

No one's insulted. But almost all of John Vestman's comments are still subjective - it's just his opinion. He thinks something sounds different; that doesn't mean it is. I think it's interesting, and he may be correct, but I have never heard an audible difference between mixdowns and the normal mix.

He thinks something sounds different? You gotta be kidding me. Who are you to say that, a wannabe hip hop or trance/techno home recordist? John Vestman is a veteran sound/mastering engineer with 30 years of experience up his sleeve. How do you compare to that? How you ever done any mastering for Sting, I wonder?

[nuffink]

No one's insulted. But almost all of John Vestman's comments are still subjective - it's just his opinion. He thinks something sounds different; that doesn't mean it is. I think it's interesting, and he may be correct, but I have never heard an audible difference between mixdowns and the normal mix.

He thinks something sounds different? You gotta be kidding me. Who are you to say that, a wannabe hip hop or trance/techno home recordist? John Vestman is a veteran sound/mastering engineer with 30 years of experience up his sleeve. How do you compare to that? How you ever done any mastering for Sting, I wonder?

Nobody gives a f**k mate. For every c**t you quote saying there's a difference I'll find one who says otherwise.
The difference is my lot will have maths on their side. And they'll include every single person who writes the programs in the first place.

Welcome to k-v-r, and get your facts right huh?

[davor]

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Nobody gives a f**k mate. For every c**t you quote saying there's a difference I'll find one who says otherwise.
The difference is my lot will have maths on their side. And they'll include every single person who writes the programs in the first place.

Welcome to k-v-r, and get your facts right huh?[/quote]

I don't doubt that you def amateurs don't give a f**k, but then again, nobody seeks your "audio" services, apart from perhaps some amaterur garage demo band. If you do techno or some smilar crap it's no wonder you can't hear subtle nuances. You're def, compared to John.

[M'Snah]

davor you're not doing a good job of Equilibrium here. He has a problem. Take your discussion to a different thread pls.

[I emptied my other posts here. I apologise for getting carried away and replying to davor]

[davor]

[quote="ericj23"]

Oh wait hes not selling time using his analogue desks and equipment is he ?


And what are you selling? All the serious mastering guys do the job in the analogue domain. FYI, John has been doin sound engineering while you were still in your mother womb ( you're 23 I suppose ). What have you to offer. Your techno hip hop or some other crap. For that you definitely wouldn't need John's services. It wouldn't made any difference anyway.

[IIRs]

I don't doubt that you def amateurs don't give a f**k, but then again, nobody seeks your "audio" services, apart from perhaps some amaterur garage demo band. If you do techno or some smilar crap it's no wonder you can't hear subtle nuances. You're def, compared to John.

I could quote Bob Katz back at you if I wanted, but i don't need to because:

1. I have a basic understanding of maths to at least the 2+2=4 EVERY f**king TIME level.

2. I have a good pairs of ears with which I happen to earn my living, and they tell me you are talking out of your arse.

Now, why don't you f**k off and let people answer the actual question?

[davor]

I don't doubt that you def amateurs don't give a f**k, but then again, nobody seeks your "audio" services, apart from perhaps some amaterur garage demo band. If you do techno or some smilar crap it's no wonder you can't hear subtle nuances. You're def, compared to John.

I could quote Bob Katz back at you if I wanted, but i don't need to because:

1. I have a basic understanding of maths to at least the 2+2=4 EVERY f**king TIME level.

2. I have a good pairs of ears with which I happen to earn my living, and they tell me you are talking out of your arse.

Now, why don't you f**k off and let people answer the actual question?

It's just a pity that your nick is completely out of place in your case. It should have been ironears instead. I pity those who pay for your audio services.

[j_T]

davor

Please read the original post once again.

The guy records several tracks. He then mixes them down to two channels (stereo). Internally that's a sequence of ones and zeros. This sequence is sent to the DAC of his soundcard, converted to an analog signal and sent to an amp and to his speakers that convert it to sound waves. This is what he hears.

At one point he decides that his mix (i.e. what he hears) is right and he saves it to a two track file (a stereo audio file that contains exactly the sequence of ones and zeros that via the DAC of his soundcard "created" the audio signal he heard during mixing).

Now he sends this sequence of ones and zeros (remember, the one that's equal to the sequence he listened to during mixing) from the file to the DAC and gets a different (=worse) result.

This has nothing to do with the rendering qualitiy of his DAW. If so, it would have sounded equally "bad" during mixing.

So, if Mr. Vestman does have golden ears or not is absolutely pointless for this thread

He deals with a completely different subject

Regards,

Tommy

[M'Snah]

So, if Mr. Vestman does have golden ears or not is absolutely pointless for this thread

And golden ears are still worth less than platinum ears

[Left Headphone]

So, if Mr. Vestman does have golden ears or not is absolutely pointless for this thread

And golden ears are still worth less than platinum ears

What about diamond ears? Hummm....

[j_T]

So, if Mr. Vestman does have golden ears or not is absolutely pointless for this thread

And golden ears are still worth less than platinum ears

Well ...

Regards,

Tommy