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superddman · Post by **superddman** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:40 am

TheMisterCat wrote:Geez, if you're so concerned about it, move to Logic.

Logic revolves around the mixer. All plugin work is done trough it. At least it was in the case of v5. Maybe its changed in v6 and v7.

I am just making a logical argument and would like others' view on this.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:54 am

Tracktion has always had the volume and panning beside the track. Or in other words, I agree with you.

You can mix with it, but it doesn't have a mixer. I also like its way of handling sub-mixes better.

superddman · Post by **superddman** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:02 am

i see that i am getting some support on this hehe.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:05 am

95% of the RMS forum would agree with you.

popsych · Post by **popsych** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:13 am

If you don't see the point then just switch a host, or start a vote to make your current sequencer available. In these cases, if you don't see a point then IMHO there isn't one

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:19 am

superddman wrote:I think they only break the workflow. The sequencers should just have all the required controls right on the arrange window, not separate mixer window.
A good example is Ableton Live. It has everything available infront of you.

What do you guys think?

Uhm. Any specific host you think about? Podium Tracktion, Cubase etc all can work the way you describe.

ghost666 · Post by **ghost666** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:21 am

I like the pretty lights on 'em!

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apflaum · Post by **apflaum** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:29 am

dude seriously, what the f**k. this is soo ridiculous. Mixing is something you do AFTER you made the track. sure you might have to make small adjustments here and there to volume while you are programming, etc.

BUT AT THE END YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH A MIXER ANAD FINE TUNE EVERYTHING. THIS FINAL PROCCESS OF FINE TUNING WOULD BE A BITCH WITHOUT A MIXER THAT HAS EVERYTHING RIGHT NEXT TOGETHER, ETC.

if you wanna be ghetto and adjust little rotary volume knobs for each instrument, go ahead.

Also, I think actually working with a mixer, or a midi device that emulates one for you DAW would change your mind in an instant.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:31 am

I love Logic's mixer but I also love Tracktion. They are just different ways of working and I see + and - on both sides

I do like Logic's screensets and you never have to go to the mixer if you don't want to, you can do everything from the Arrange view (where there is essentially a contextual mixing channel). And again, Tracktion does have a mixer, it is just totally integrated into the tracks. And modular.

superddman · Post by **superddman** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:32 am

popsych wrote:If you don't see the point then just switch a host, or start a vote to make your current sequencer available. In these cases, if you don't see a point then IMHO there isn't one

I am happy with my current workflow, thats not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to exchange views on the "need of mixers in software sequencers".

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:37 am

apflaum -- dude, you can mix down just fine without a mixer. All you need are volume and level controls.

superddman · Post by **superddman** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:39 am

apflaum wrote:dude seriously, what the f**k. this is soo ridiculous. Mixing is something you do AFTER you made the track. sure you might have to make small adjustments here and there to volume while you are programming, etc.

BUT AT THE END YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH A MIXER ANAD FINE TUNE EVERYTHING. THIS FINAL PROCCESS OF FINE TUNING WOULD BE A BITCH WITHOUT A MIXER THAT HAS EVERYTHING RIGHT NEXT TOGETHER, ETC.

if you wanna be ghetto and adjust little rotary volume knobs for each instrument, go ahead.

Also, I think actually working with a mixer, or a midi device that emulates one for you DAW would change your mind in an instant.

this is more of a mastering stage again, i am only talking about during production stage. I for one, want to fine tune levels while I am producing. I mean, how on earth you will be able to layer properly sounds if you leave proper mixing until the end? How will you be able to see if everything sits together nicely while you are adding new sounds?

I do fine mixing while producing.

"if you wanna be ghetto and adjust little rotary volume knobs for each instrument, go ahead."

I don't really know what you are saying here but ok...

popsych · Post by **popsych** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:40 am

Fine the mixer is the analogy of what a sequencer does for composing for mixing. It's is streamlined having only information required for mixing and thus avoiding clutter and making it easier to deal with the process of mixing. That said many producers now mix as they go so a mixerless interface would be appropriate there. IMHO i find the mixer indispendable for mixing as it has all the right stuff at the right places with the inherent usability and intuitiveness and most importantly without any other BS to occupy my brain

kilroy · Post by **kilroy** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:42 am

ghost666 wrote:I like the pretty lights on 'em!

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Sometimes you can get interesting rhythmic patterns across the channel LED ladders by carefully arranging percussive hits across a bunch of tracks and looping the sequence. Then for maximum wow factor, buss the tracks out to your desk so they show up on some *really* serious meters.

Try 32 tracks offset by 2 beats, and experiment with different tempos.

An oscillating "wave" pattern at 240 bpm is quite impressive.

apflaum · Post by **apflaum** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:50 am

theres things called "a mixdown" "mixing" etc. etc. I dont see what that has to do with mastering. They are two seperate proccess.

What's the point of mixers in software sequencers?