KVR Audio

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:27 pm

I'm sitting here halfway thru making a sample library and stumble across a MINOR problem.

Alot of samples click in a few select sample players while they sound perfect in others. Is it me or is it the sample player who gone bad ?

I have 2 links to help pursue this MINOR problem.

1.

Link to a small looped 24 bit sample.

http://www.qnull.net/downloads/XSW2100.wav

Use SAVE AS if you wanna try the sample loop!!

2.

Link to how this sample plays depending on sample player.

This 14 sec 16bit wav file contains 5 sample players playing the loop.

The key is C1 or C0, depends on player.

1. player = VSampler 3 (no click)
2. player = Wusikstation (CLICK)
3. player = Kontakt (CLICK)
4. player = Reason NN-XT (no click)
5. player = sfz (no click)

http://www.qnull.net/downloads/loops1.wav

fishfinger · Post by **fishfinger** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:23 am

It's you

The start of the wave file is about -30dB and the end of the file is at infinity. So you won't get a clean loop.

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:19 am

Now thats weird cause wavelab says it starts at +2dB and end at +2dB.

Which editor you use fishfinger ?

The first -30dB peak in the sample is at 1.8ms

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:50 am

Try this I trimmed it in Audition to full sample loop

http://spe3d.com/audio/XSW2100DeClicked.wav

or

http://spe3d.com/audio/XSW2100DeClicked1.wav

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:16 pm

ok i can see that Sound Forge shows the loop as starting at -30 and ending on inf. but wavelab shows it as perfect +2% to +2% loop. Now i'm looking for a why reason.

EDIT: I used wrong display type in wavelab so now its the same as sound forge, but still the loop plays perfect in wavelab and the issue about sample players playing it with or without click.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:45 pm

mkastrup wrote:
EDIT: I used wrong display type in wavelab so now its the same as sound forge, but still the loop plays perfect in wavelab and the issue about sample players playing it with or without click.

The ones I posted click for you, just to be clear?

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:11 pm

Yes Spe3D, they clicked and have wrong key mapping and are not seen as loops. They also have something none valid data found by both Sound Forge and Wavelab.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:02 am

mkastrup wrote:Yes Spe3D, they clicked and have wrong key mapping and are not seen as loops. They also have something none valid data found by both Sound Forge and Wavelab.

Here you go I made a WusiK wave for you to load into any of the Wusik vstis

http://spe3d.com/audio/XSW2100DeClicked1.wusiksnd

pop it into the sample section of the databank, load it up - this will not click - if it does click then something is up with your set-up imo.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:54 pm

Thx Spe3D

Feel like doing 2000 more ?

The problem is why some players play the XSW2100.wav without click and others play with click.

In Wavelab the sample starts at -32.95dB and ends at -35.08dB, this margin should be so small that players should play it without click.

If you do a check in Sound Forge the sample looks like it starts at -30db and ends at inf. Sound Forge cant zoom any closer.

We have 3 players (Reason NN-XT, sfz and VSampler) playing it right and 3 players (Kontakt, Wusik and EnergyXT) playing it wrong, or is it the other way round ? heh heh

Perhabs there is some format thing which im not aware of.

fishfinger · Post by **fishfinger** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:22 pm

It's possible that some of the sample players do a very short fade-in of the sample, which would eliminate the click

Is this sample supposed to click or not ?