Ableton Live - wow

[pHz]

if you want to do timestratch/looping/etc in Live this all functions fine in ReWire slave mode.

it certainly does ...

slainte rob

[Lunch Money]

I would call it a workaround because it came about as a consequence of Tracktion's "no-mixer" track based paradigm.

But you'd be wrong. Racks probably WERE developed as a consequence of the track-based paradigm, but the fact that they added functionality to the program makes it an update, not a workaround. What you can do in a rack is much faster, smoother, and more easily visualized than what you can do with a traditional mixer. Is Reason 3's Combinator a workaround? No, it's adding new functionality.

Regarding the depth and speed thing-- obviously you're going to notice differences in speed when you try to do one application's "specialty" in the other application. Trying to make Tracktion Live-like is going to be laborious. But you'd be hard-pressed to make the guitar-thickener illustrated in my rack, using Live. It would be laborious, indeed. So your speed comparison isn't really apt. I still find Tracktion exceptionally fast to work with for my linear arrangements.

I think I mentioned that... did you read my post very carefully?

Er... not VERY carefully, no. Still haven't.

That explains it, then

A little bit, but you STILL made an incorrect statement, which is what I was addressing.

Nice picture. What is it?

It's hard to respond because I can't tell if I'm being baited or not. For someone who actually uses modular routing, it should be rather obvious what it is.

As I mentioned though, Live 4 users often use Audiomulch, eXT and (in PhZ's case) Tracktion via rewire for this sort of modular functionality. Also, of course, a lot of Live 4 users enjoy working in the modular heaven that is Reason 3.0

Sure, you can use those things in Live. If you want a WORKAROUND. As for Reason 3.0 being modular heaven, I wouldn't know. Looks like modular hell to me from the screenshots. <chuckle>

[braj]

A cool way to use Live and T together is to open Live4 as a stand-alone, do whatever you want with audio and midi, resample all your midi bits to audio, and then rewire Live to T. Then you can do more midi tracks and use all the stuff you created in Live with it's strengths within Tracktion, and render the audio from Live and close it down as a slave. Then you're back in one app. This is my process.

[headquest]

But you'd be wrong.

You really do think you are the thought police, don't you

Racks probably WERE developed as a consequence of the track-based paradigm, but the fact that they added functionality to the program makes it an update, not a workaround. What you can do in a rack is much faster, smoother, and more easily visualized than what you can do with a traditional mixer. Is Reason 3's Combinator a workaround? No, it's adding new functionality.

In terms of modular routing, Racks add functionality and are a "feature".
In terms of enabling multi-out instruments and sharing of effects (as a bus), Racks are a "workaround", because they provide a way to "work around" Tracktions (then) inability to do these basic things.

Regarding the depth and speed thing-- obviously you're going to notice differences in speed when you try to do one application's "specialty" in the other application. Trying to make Tracktion Live-like is going to be laborious.

I wouldn't know - I've never tried that. I've only ever tried to use Tracktion as a linear sequencer.

But you'd be hard-pressed to make the guitar-thickener illustrated in my rack, using Live. It would be laborious, indeed.

Again I've not tried (I'm not a guitarist, nor have I ever recorded one). Have you tried this - or anything - in Live 4?

So your speed comparison isn't really apt. I still find Tracktion exceptionally fast to work with for my linear arrangements.

I don't, and I know that pisses you off, but it's not actually a personal attack on you, Lunch Money! It's simply a choice I have made regarding the software that suits my needs (which are clearly different to yours )

Sure, you can use those things in Live. If you want a WORKAROUND. As for Reason 3.0 being modular heaven, I wouldn't know. Looks like modular hell to me from the screenshots. <chuckle>

One of the differences between you and me seems to be that I've gone beyond the screenshots

[Lunch Money]

<shrug>

I have better things to do with my time. I could have pretended I tried it instead of just being honest.

Your choice of sequencer doesn't piss me off in the least, headquest. The only time I disagree with you is when you say things that are simply false. It's not "thought policing" to point out that something is a feature and not a workaround. It's grammar and linguistics policing. And frankly, I have a license.

Greg

[headquest]

It's not "thought policing" to point out that something is a feature and not a workaround. It's grammar and linguistics policing. And frankly, I have a license.

Greg

[headquest]

Ableton Live - WOW!!

[original flipper]

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[lion_cub]

Ableton Live - WOW!!

[RawTheory]

I love the Reason implementation through rewire. I use no vst instruments what-so-ever and don't miss 'em. I used to have to rewire Reason to Protools after the track was sequenced in Reason (which is a pain in the ass) before I could start the mix down process. But after geting Live 4.0, I just rewire reason to it, do all of my sequencing in Live, and complete all of the mixing in Live as well. In fact the whole process is more creative and streamlined because i can actally start the mix down process during the arrangement phase which saves hella time