Every time I export an audiomixdown in cubase it sounds crap

[davor]

I'm convinced now. Should I buy a 32-bit analog mixer? or 64-bit?

You should try asking Sascha and ericj. According to them an audio cd is a 16-bit analog format. Perhaps they could advise you as to which bit depth analog mixer is the best one

[diverdee]

I believe dav or that he is saying yes the audio data in the pc's hard drive is digital & yes the audio data held on the cd is also digital..... BUT the process of transfering the audio data from the is not digital it is 'analogue', mechanical or however you would like to term it & that during the process of transference mistakes can be made due to imperfections in the cd, lazer misalignment etc. etc. On a related note a/d d/a converters etc. - very poor ones on shitty soundcards can result in a mix etc. sounding poor, i'm not going to go into a lengthy explanation of why as it's fairly commonsense & logical, though those two particular terms may be redundant here i fear.

[ericj23]

davor - digital is a mathematical concept - a cd is an analogue representation of that - there is no digital information in any pits - there is just a hole

the hole produces a different defraction pattern/level of reflection when the laser scans over it - this light bouncing back is collected by a sensor - which turns it into a series of voltages

nothing digital there

you are confusing what analogue and digital coding with what an analogue and digital thing is
cd audio uses digital encoding
vinyl uses analogue encoding
but both the cd and the record are manufactured using a very analogue mechanical process

the item is analogue - the code is digital
jitter is caused by the conversion from the analogue to the digital domain

but anyway that's all a bit dull and obvious so how about some fun ?

describe a digital item that you can hold in your hand - should be easy for you

[davor]

the item is analogue - the code is digital
jitter is caused by the conversion from the analogue to the digital domain

That's what I've been saying saying all along. But you're pretending not to be aware of that, and trying to put into my mouth the things I didn't say. I'm speaking about the code, i.e. encoding. The data is encoded in digital format. Nothin more , nothing less. When I refer to a Cd I'm refering to the data which is encoded on it, and not to the physical piece of plastic. And you're constantly talking about a piece of plastic, which is completely off the point.

[Sascha Franck]

So, mister davor, why in the world would CDs then produce errors every now and then then?`Right, because it's analog devices carrying (or representing, whatever you prefer...) digital data. And analog devices are prone to errors. The same *might* be true for different harddisks, different cables and maybe even different power supplies (so I'm not even saying John Vestman is wrong). But digital is 100% exact - otherwise computers wouldn't even work at all.
And MY DAW is 100% exact too. I can mixdown a bunch of files in Cubase SX and I can bounce the same bunch of files in Logic - when I reimport them into any application and phase invert one of them, the result is silence. DIGITAL silence!
What else is there that would need prove?

[Evan]

The earth is flat.

[davor]

So, mister davor, why in the world would CDs then produce errors every now and then then?`Right, because it's analog devices carrying (or representing, whatever you prefer...) digital data. And analog devices are prone to errors. The same *might* be true for different harddisks, different cables and maybe even different power supplies (so I'm not even saying John Vestman is wrong).

Oh you are not saying that John Vestman is wrong? Great. Not only is he not wrong but he is absolutely right. I'm not a big shot mastering engineer, and still I can hear the differences these things above make.

[[decipher]]

uhm. what exactly do i have to do if i wanted to phase invert something? i want to try that too and compare different hosts.

[davor]

And MY DAW is 100% exact too. I can mixdown a bunch of files in Cubase SX and I can bounce the same bunch of files in Logic - when I reimport them into any application and phase invert one of them, the result is silence. DIGITAL silence!
What else is there that would need prove?

This is what I cannot agree on. The result may be silence, and still they may not sound the same. 1) different daws sound different - that's my experience. Check out also:
http://www.johnvestman.com/DAWSUM.htm

2)when you render a multitrack mixdown in a DAW to a single stereo file, that stereo file (played from the same DAW) doesn't sound the same as the multitrack project file played from the DAW.

[ericj23]

davor you have never mentioned digital encoding once - i mentioned it lots of time and you slagged me off but lets get a few things straight for you

mr vestmans comment that two hard drives can sound different is wrong

pure and simple

digital audio within a computer is error corrected in such a way that it is not wrong - if it was wrong your computer would just fail to work

any transfer out of the box is susceptable to jitter
but mixing within the box is always the same

mr vestmans comment that you should mixdown outside the box rather than inside is simply wrong - it makes no difference if it is all digital beause 1+1 is always 2 when working in digital - unlike analogue

in fact exporting it to another device is far more likely to produce the jitter we all want to avoid

but how can he be hearing these differences ?

people see (or hear) what they want to believe - your one of them

hope you learn one day - and maybe some better insults would make you cool

or you could try purring

[Sascha Franck]

2)when you render a multitrack mixdown in a DAW to a single stereo file, that stereo file (played from the same DAW) doesn't sound the same as the multitrack project file played from the DAW.

Nonsense. It does. At least on my DAWs of choice.

[mmdejonge]

The neverending story...

[davor]

davor you have never mentioned digital encoding once - i mentioned it lots of time and you slagged me off but lets get a few things straight for you

I was referring to the data in digital format which the CD contains and not to the piece of plastic that a Cd actually is, I think that that is bloody obvious for everybody. You don't go to a cd shop to buy a piece of plastic, but you go there to buy an album. Or I may be wrong. Only a child of 3 would perhaps not assume that I was not referring to a piece of plastic. How old are you exactly?

[flex42]

If davor wants to buy a CD he is probably pre-listening to 5 copies of it, to ensure that he gets the one with the best sound...

[ericj23]

i was going to reply but i can't be arsed

you have nothing to say davor - you still don't answer any questions you just keep on trolling along

no purring, no funnies, nothing

go away