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rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:47 am

Been stealth watching this thread develop.

Here's my situation, I can't play drums. I can't program drums and jamstix looks too confusing, but the output seems to be the closest to what I'm looking for.

I rely therefore on loop libraries.

however, the kind of music I like, needs lots of hand percussion, in the 65-100 bpm tempo range, and I just can't find very much out there that's not expensive.

I'm thinking of investing in some used congas, bongos, cajon, etc.

But then I'll have to learn how to play - arghh!

-Scott

chardin · Post by **chardin** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:16 am

rockstar_not wrote:I rely therefore on loop libraries.

however, the kind of music I like, needs lots of hand percussion, in the 65-100 bpm tempo range, and I just can't find very much out there that's not expensive.

Scott, you might want to check out the George Pendergast "Essential Percussion" disc for $30. Free delivery right now from Sony. I have it and like it a lot. Try the samples at the link above and see what you think.

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:20 am

chardin wrote:
rockstar_not wrote:I rely therefore on loop libraries.

however, the kind of music I like, needs lots of hand percussion, in the 65-100 bpm tempo range, and I just can't find very much out there that's not expensive.
Scott, you might want to check out the George Pendergast "Essential Percussion" disc for $30. Free delivery right now from Sony. I have it and like it a lot. Try the samples at the link above and see what you think.

Yes, that might just do it. Too bad they misspelled cajon as cajun!!

-Scott

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:39 am

Couldn't agree more about the drums. I've been using Beta Monkey libraries, which are a bar-goon, and also come with separate multi-sampled hits (in the most recent discs, the older ones not so) if you need to embellish or try a measure or two on your own.

Right now I'm in a hard place because the loops I have aren't covering a broad enough range of genres, which means buying more and more discs, OR... finally teaching myself how to program drums.

Oh, if only there were a thought-to-MIDI interface.

Greg

lawapa · Post by **lawapa** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:03 am

Smartloops formally drag and drop drummer has a percussion disk. It has audio and midi for each loop and you can download the soundfonts to use the midi loops. Along with single shots for each instrument. Good stuff

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:39 am

smartloops....doesn't that come with crapwalk home toilet...

fateamenabletochange · Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:06 am

why would anyone fill in little boxes with color with their mouse,and then get some Quant. function to nibble little peices off the colored boxes,and tweak a few knobs on a gui,and then tell everyone else that they have it wrong about making music.Three ducks on the wall.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:18 am

rockstar_not wrote:
I'm thinking of investing in some used cajon...

I build and play boxes. They are the most versatile percussion instrument out there.

I actually just built two more of them recently, sold one a week ago.

Check it out: http://omalleysound.panicnow.net/box.html

There is a sound sample too.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:21 am

Lunch Money wrote:
Oh, if only there were a thought-to-MIDI interface.

Greg

There is.

http://www.gmu.edu/news/gazette/0001/images/paras.jpg

No name · Post by **No name** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:22 am

Lunch Money wrote:
Oh, if only there were a thought-to-MIDI interface.

Greg

You know, this is an incredible idea! Imagine how much time and frustration that would save. Now, all someone has to do is figure out how to transmit such data, and figure out how to put "midi out" sockets on peoples foreheads.

or...Mind out to Midi in

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:29 am

I'm afraid I'd still have to quantize mine.

What the heck is that cojone thing? I gotta get to the Google...

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:29 am

And here's an even better one: Brain 2 MIDI

http://www.ibva.com/Step1/Step1.html#midi

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:30 am

Lunch Money wrote:I'm afraid I'd still have to quantize mine.

What the heck is that cojone thing? I gotta get to the Google...

Did you look at my site?

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:00 am

Yup, I had a look and listen! Very cool! I want to know how to make one, now. Next time I order wood for a guitar, I may have to order some to make a box, too.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:11 am

I'm board, so I'll talk about the cajon...

In spanish, cajon means "Box" (Big box to be exact) and that is basically what it is.

It is traditionally a south american instrument, namely Peru. The natives, and slaves, and other oppressed people living there back in the day, were poor and didn't have money or tools to make drums. Also, in many places, especially Cuba, drums were banned. So people essentially just started banging on boxes.

The cajon is used in many different styles of south american folkloric music: Lando, Curulao, flamenco, zamba, etc. Often in styles of music with a strong african influence.

The modern cajon is basically just a glorified box. The ones I build have strings on one side that act like a snare, and loose corners for a better slap sound. You can get a variety of tones out of them, from harsh slaps to deep bass tones. They are increadably versitile and very portable.

Other cajon manufacturers:

http://www.tonecajon.com/

http://www.fatcongas.com/

and Meinel, but I can't find their site.

No, thanks, I'll just buy the instrument.