ArtsAcoustic site and ArtsAcoustic Reverb demo`s online now

[rawcan]

Hi there,

I wonder why nowadays a lot of people think that they have to diss a new plugin for whatever reason? Is it the power of the internet? Is it the big chance to have some influence on something? I would say yes.
What is so wrong when someone comes along and is a nice guy. What is so wrong when he says that they put a big amount of work into a plugin? And what's wrong then to want a certain amount of money for their work? Do you go to your local whatever store and hang around for hours a day to discuss certain products? Their prices? No you don't, because everybody knows that's stupid. Well, on KvR everything is different, you know?

So why don't you give this guy a break as he appears to be cool? Well, just my 2 cents.


All the best, FRitz

[egbert]

I wonder why nowadays a lot of people think that they have to diss a new plugin for whatever reason? Is it the power of the internet?

I'm sorry if we aren't passive enough for you - I wouldn't want to have an opinion or anything.

A developer comes along and releases a demo of his new product - some feedback on perceptions of the pricing and quality of the product from people who actually buy these things is free market research which they can make of what they will. If this kind of discussion bugs you WTF are you doing on this forum?

[Peter Pan]

I do appreciate the efforts of arts acoustic to keep cpu usage light preventing users from bouncing every five minutes, but Nick, if I read you right, I would seriously love it if you made a real cpu-monster if you think you could make something that would give tc and lexicons high end reverbs a run for the money, I have a seperate computer mainly for verbs anyway (ir-1 at high samplingrates sure is a beast), if you think you can do it, I say bring it on.

[rawcan]

I'm sorry if we aren't passive enough for you - I wouldn't want to have an opinion or anything.

A developer comes along and releases a demo of his new product - some feedback on perceptions of the pricing and quality of the product from people who actually buy these things is free market research which they can make of what they will. If this kind of discussion bugs you WTF are you doing on this forum?

Oh,

Who is "we"?
Sorry if I stood on your toes. Sometimes I just have fun with reactions like the one you just gave.
Thanx for not being passive. And no, you're not too passive for me. Funny in this context is that I conciders YOUR actions/reactions to be more intelligent and reasonable than a lot of others here. But never mind, if you feel targeted that's your problem.
This is the fun of free speech.

[rawcan]

I do appreciate the efforts of arts acoustic to keep cpu usage light preventing users from bouncing every five minutes, but Nick, if I read you right, I would seriously love it if you made a real cpu-monster if you think you could make something that would give tc and lexicons high end reverbs a run for the money, I have a seperate computer mainly for verbs anyway (ir-1 at high samplingrates sure is a beast), if you think you can do it, I say bring it on.

Hi Nick,

I absolutely agree with Peter here. I suggest that you market it as an additional high-mega-super version. At the double price, of course!


All the best, FRitz

P.S. I'm not so much interested in buying the existing version than this high-mega-super version, really.

[greendoor]

There are many developers who release excellent freeware for the love of music. I don't think any developer of VST effects seriously thinks they are going to get rich quick - but the potential is there if they get it right. Nick - you have a lot going for you, a good name, great gui, your product is comparable to some fierce competition. The editability of your verb has to make it more desirable than others. Don't give up! There is a huge market for a VST reverb IF you can match the quality of hardware reverb, and so far only convolution reverbs are giving us that (and SIR is free). It's tough - and forgive me if my comments have upset you, but I would not be doing you a favour if I said polite nothings and just didn't buy your product. You need to know why I'm not buying your product - I think that's helpful, I don't have to waste my time telling you this, but I choose to. I've been a harsh critic of many hardware reverbs too. I hate the sound of Alesis and Roland reverbs, although the Ambiance in my old SE-50 was good from memory. So this is a hard one to please, but Lexicon did it in the 80's.

I'm going to post what I think is a radical new idea in the development forum (too techy for most people just interested in using effects). I don't know if it's worth anything, but if I can throw some ideas around that just happen to make a plugin developer rich, I don't mind

[bmanic]

but anyways, I agree that your reverb manages to fill it's promise of good native algorithmic reverb. The best so far? I do not know.. the very old Arboretum Hyperprism reverb that came with the pack, Hyperverb I think it was called, was my original benchmark and still sounds extremely good to this day.. and it beats your reverb in cpu usage (and it's still a bit denser, compare with a rim shot or muted cowbell sample).

i remember thisone roughly. it was direct x only, right ? where can i get it ? i`d like to try it.
i had the hyperprism stuff on my protools system a long time ago.
if you ask me, all their stuff was horrible. but i diddn`t own their reverb. iirc there was non for protools.

http://www.arboretum.com/products/hyper ... p_osx.html

It seems to be out for OS X now too. Don't know how it sounds now but the old direct X version HyperVerb was really good. All the rest of the effects were pretty horrible yes..

Cheers!
bManic

[Ronny Pries]

hi nick,

i just tried the demo and gotta say it's a very good reverb plugin. however, i expected more from the short rooms after following your initial thread before the demo was available. thus i'm still missing something in the reverb plugin world. although i dig some aspects of your reverb quite much i don't think it'll replace ambience for me (at least not for 189). don't get me wrong, i consider the price pretty good for people that don't have a reverb but most own one or more already. and for those yours would probably have to render the others useless. regarding your statement you want to fill a gap in the reverb market which i still consider present. all existing software reverbs got strenghts and weaks, their main difference is where those are located. it's good to know there's a reverb now capable of making uberhuge plates still sound lively, but for the short rooms i can just say "no". they're less metallic than others reverbs but can't really convince me. i'd be happy about an improved version in the future, but for now you don't get my bucks. only

my 2 cents,

ronny

[flex42]

Is this is a true stereo reverb?

[jasonsantiago]

am I the only one confused by the company name? Shouldn't it be Acoustic Arts? Arts Acoustic sounds backwards. Maybe its a bad Euro translation?

[rawcan]

am I the only one confused by the company name? Shouldn't it be Acoustic Arts? Arts Acoustic sounds backwards. Maybe its a bad Euro translation?

Maybe you're the only one, dunno. Both versions make sense to me. Both have different meanings, at least that's what my limited english tells me.

[TimKnopf]

I'm going to post what I think is a radical new idea in the development forum (too techy for most people just interested in using effects). I don't know if it's worth anything, but if I can throw some ideas around that just happen to make a plugin developer rich, I don't mind

Peace, guys! I think, this isn't the right place to talk like this. If you want to talk about your ideas, please open another thread!

Now, let me say a few words. I've been testing the demo, because I was looking for a practical, efficient reverb for native applications, that was flexible and good sounding at the same time. I own a TC M6000, a Quantec Yardstick and a Lexikon PCM91 (though I know the 960L very well, too) and I really love them. They have all their own sound, own character and are useful for different applications.

But I do a lot of work on my notebook, at home, live or whereever, and I must admit, I've never seen a native reverb plugin before, that was so flexible and easy to use at the same time. The sound quality may not reach the big machines, but it _is_ definitly very good, I like the character very much and it fullfills my expectations.
And in the studio, I will be glad to complete my collection of nice reverbs

So, please keep reasonable! Nobody should expect a 960L or a VSS4 for 189 Euros! Even the VSS3 (that I don't like very much) costs about 600 Euros. Other plugins sound often worse for me or aren't that flexible or intuitive to use.

So take it as a chance to get an universal, non cpu eating reverb that sounds good on most signals, with just a couple of mouseclicks.

Cheers!

[AmenToThat]

I do appreciate the efforts of arts acoustic to keep cpu usage light preventing users from bouncing every five minutes, but Nick, if I read you right, I would seriously love it if you made a real cpu-monster if you think you could make something that would give tc and lexicons high end reverbs a run for the money, I have a seperate computer mainly for verbs anyway (ir-1 at high samplingrates sure is a beast), if you think you can do it, I say bring it on.

Hi Nick,

I absolutely agree with Peter here. I suggest that you market it as an additional high-mega-super version. At the double price, of course!

Allow me to agree with the above posters.
If the sound got closer to a Lexi or TC I wouldnt mind if the cpu usage was trippled or even quadrupled. I think eventually the penny will drop with a developer that their is a section of the pc music making market out therr that are willing to spend that but extra for and live with a higher cpu usage for a seriously good sounding native reverb.

BTW these comments are not aimed at this particular product specifically (I tried the demo and I think its a fine reverb indeed) Im aiming this at developers in general.

[greendoor]

am I the only one confused by the company name? Shouldn't it be Acoustic Arts? Arts Acoustic sounds backwards. Maybe its a bad Euro translation?

Are you trolling? This is the second time you made this stupid statement. The name is Arts Acoustic. It makes as much sense to say that your name Jason Antiago is arse about tit and should be Antiago Jason. Sheesh! I sincerely hope you are joking - otherwise you have no poetic bone in your body.

[nick at artsacoustic]

By the way, after much testing, this is why i wrote this, i just feel it's not superior to Roomverb M2 in any way, which is $50 less (and I thought that was a touch pricey too). I'm not knocking it, quite the contrary, it is one of the better vst reverbs around at the mo, but I am just not tempted by that price. It's just me. others might be. I'd buy at $99 and that's it. sorry.

you don`t have to feel sorry for your opinion, don`t worry.
i welcome critics always.
like i stated all the time, it`s a matter of taste,
but, seriously, about m2: you must doing something wrong with our reverb. it is _not_ my intense at all to diss any reverbs out there as my goal is to stay polite as can be, so i`d like to put it that way: on _every_ signal i tested our reverb with i diddn`t find many to compete with it. there are a few reverbs that, for a matter of taste again, sound different and good on _some_ signals, but generally speaking our reverb offers lot`s of high quality sounding possibilities on mostly _every_ signal.
i don`t try to support our reverb here, seriously.
after working close to a year now with it i pretty much know what it delivers, whether in a mix, short or long tails, reflective or dense, for natural signals, for synth signals, for drums or whatever signals there might be.
our betatesters are musicians of a wide musical range, from jazz to electronics, and they tend to use our reverb on mostly all the productions, from tv commercials to chart oriented, from rock/pop to trance/techno or whatever else there might be.
there might be signals that _very_ few others are better (i say different) than ours (speaking of native reverbs).
but there is no way to develop a reverb that sounds like all others together.
so: our reverb is different, most flexible and high quality for mostly _all_ kinds of sounds.
maybe you just tweak our reverb wrong?
listen to our demo mp3`s, they`re all made with one instance of our reverb. that showes that it works very good on mosty every kind of signal .
it`s not limited to a few usages, as others are.
if you don`t like it, agreed.
but if there are statements like this others might believe this, so you should at least come up with some serious audio examples, which i can then try to compete via other audio examples.
i am not afraid of this.
otherwise it`s just dissing a product.
and a note on your price critics:
1. we are cheaper than the most commercial reverbs out there.
2. to create a reverb (in general a plugin that is so complicated to build) takes a long time and it`s hard work. what`s wrong to be paid for high quality of work?
3. if you cannot wheight the difference our reverb makes compared to others, you don`t have to buy it.
but the price we charge for this quality is way beyond pricey.
anyway, the price is calculated with allmost no headroom, and its fixed.
this is,again, _not_ meant as an offend at all.
this is just our philosophy.
to work hard, offer high quality, and that at a reasonable price.
if you find something cheaper that sounds better, go for it, it`s your freedom of choice