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o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:40 am

Does anyone know why Yes's sound changed so much when they left Atlantic? I've been listening to them a lot lately, and I love all the records on Atlantic, but the stuff on Atco and Arista Is not my bag.

They sound like a completely different band to me.

Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:05 am

I'll throw a wild guess out here, but could it have been lable pressure to bring in the bucks?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:18 pm

and a different producer...is that when Trevor step in then and Steve Howe left? A lot of bands are like that but the average joe doesn't hear the difference. Look at Queen..

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:25 pm

IMO one of the biggest changes in sound happened when Wakeman dropped out for a bit and Patrick Moraz stepped in for "Relayer." Things got more jazzy. But that was pretty much it for the big-concept, really long stuff. There aren't that many 22-minute radio hits, I guess. :-S

But, ah -- I recall when they'd still play the Yessongs version of "And You And I," with an extra helping of cosmicness, on Album Oriented Rock stations. (Station "formats"... FEH!)

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:39 pm

Yes went through at least four or five different phases. Give Magnification a few listens, it's a pretty strong album, with Mind Drive joining the ranks of Awaken and And You and I for great mid-sized prog epics.

One of my favorite bands of all time...I saw them on their last two tours, it was the lineup from Going For The One and Topographic. Truly amazing, I hope they put out another studio album with this lineup.

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:43 pm

Its the same with most, the magic is there earlier for a time, something changes, they get a bit older, thats it. Its hard to better something that is a bit better in the first place.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:58 pm

You're right, Mind Drive is longish and not too shabby. I don't have Magnification but that's also on "Keys to Ascension."

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:01 pm

Rangtangtang wrote:Its the same with most, the magic is there earlier for a time, something changes, they get a bit older, thats it. Its hard to better something that is a bit better in the first place.

I have a "third album" theory.....over the years I have noticed that the third album often is a make or break a band/artist thing. Sometimes Bands have great debut albums, follow it up with an album that does poorly, so the third album makes them or breaks them. Other bands have a great debut, an awesome follow-up and the third album is tough to hold to such standards. Some bands have an okay debut and the second album gets them the third....again it rests on that third album...but that's just a personal theory of mine...

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:15 pm

<DaveBarry> We think that "Third Album Theory" would be a great name for a rock band. </DaveBarry>

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:23 pm

Meffy wrote:<DaveBarry> We think that "Third Album Theory" would be a great name for a rock band. </DaveBarry>

AndreasE · Post by **AndreasE** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:24 pm

Their albums really changed to the worse side from the end of the 70s on. But during the last few years I saw them 4 times live in concert (the last time in 2004 with Rick Wakeman again). In all of these concerts they mostly played their old 70´s stuff (including some of the very long epic pieces) like they were 30 years younger. IMO they are one of the best "old" live bands still today.

Klemperer · Post by **Klemperer** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:26 pm

Meffy wrote: But, ah -- I recall when they'd still play the Yessongs version of "And You And I," with an extra helping of cosmicness, on Album Oriented Rock stations. (Station "formats"... FEH!)

Just the last days I bought my "Yessongs" again which I had borrowed someone and never got it back (as I love the album, I can understand this

).

There was a DVD called "in the house of Yes" which to me, even if recorded in the last years and without Mr. Wakeman who now is back, but with a keyboarder named Igor Koroshev (know his name from a friend who had old Cakewalk8 or 9, I think this Mr.Koroshev had made some demosongs for the program?) sounds very good. But Yessongs...maybe I only get blown away cause I didn't have the 3 bszszszsz-LPs for some years

.
Minddrive is great, I agree. I didn't like "DRAMA" which was the first with Trevor Rabin, but a friend who likes Asia always says he'd kill me if I said another word against "Drama"

. To me in this time Yes sounded a bit like Asia later. I know an interview where Steve Howe for a short period didn't say anything as somebody had asked him if he liked to play "owner of a lonely heart"

. He was mightily offended and said if the man didn't see his looks as they played that song and others of the "no-Howe-area"...
Anyway, the Yessongs...

pekadan · Post by **pekadan** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:34 pm

Sorry, but I really love the Homeworld album.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:34 pm

Anderson, Bufford, Wakeman and Howe's first album was killer imo (a little off topic I know)

z15 · Post by **z15** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:38 pm

the weird thing with yes is... i'm not a huge fan of their overall output - lots of the '70s stuff is good or at least ok, can't stand the '80s albums i've heard - but fragile is one of the "perfect" albums i've heard & owned (currently have it on both vinyl and cd

) and i'm not even trying to go on about how damn good it is.