KVR Audio

proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:37 pm

Warmonger wrote:Why bother with all the gear? Well, just because MP3 is lossy, doesn't mean that a listener can't tell the difference between Model E and Minimonsta.

And if you're just complaining about MP3 sucking, well, too bad. I guess you must still pissed off about Beta vs. VHS.

The Tv industry uses Beta all the time so you see it all the time so no I'm not pissed off. I'll also be able to tell he difference between and intelligent argument and someone just trying to dick me off on an Mp3 as well, but everything else from an orchestral piece to well recorded jazz number will suffer and that's a shame.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:59 pm

People still listen to AM and shortwave radio. Music lives on. :-)

proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:27 pm

Meffy wrote:People still listen to AM and shortwave radio. Music lives on.

Often out of lack of choice and even then, I doubt if they record it for prosperity.
I'm Ok with choice as long as its a "decent" choice.

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:45 pm

Borogove wrote:
shamann wrote:Casettes weren't better than mp3. Unless you really got off on tape hiss.
Almost everything I listened to that formed my modern musical taste was on second-generation cassette through 3 inch mini-boombox speakers late at night with the volume way down so as not to bug my parents.

128kbit MP3 is way, way, way better.

Woohoo!! It wasnt just me then!!

Peel · Post by **Peel** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:17 pm

proletkult wrote:Who says that's what everybody I DO NOT WANT TO REDUCE MY WORK TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR!

Then don't. Duh.
Release your work in whatever format you wish. Lossless .wav, vinyl, DVD-audio, whatever. Hey, if you're really principled, don't release it at all.

Standing by your principles means sacrificing something, by definition.

proletkult wrote: Which is why I'm complaining that there's very little going on to promote better formats.

There's plenty going on to promote better formats but most people aren't interested. Based on your other comments it would appear that even 44.1/16 audio is somewhat unsatisfactory for you.
When the average consumer cares enough about audio to get a good-quality 24/32-bit soundcard, and high-quality amp/speakers/whatever, then the average consumer will demand a better-sounding format. Presently, this is certainly less than 1% of computer owners.
People like .MP3s for lots of reasons -- file size, widespread compatibility/ease of use, and simple familiarity. They WILL switch to something better if it comes along and the benefits are obvious to them.
Sounds like you want people to like what you have to offer, without offering them what they like.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:22 pm

What's the point?!

...a measure for one's length.

mine is .54 btw
ladies?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:26 pm

proletkult quoth

The Tv industry uses Beta all the time so you see it all the time so no I'm not pissed off.

Umm, no. Betacam SP and Digital Betacam, as commonly used in the broadcast industries, are not the same as Betamax, the consumer video format that failed.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:27 pm

Well said, Peel.

You have absolutely no control over what listeners do with your music once you let it out into the wild. Even if you sold it only as a travelling live band that would play it at every customer's house, you can't stop them from recording it and mixing down to 12k realaudio files. Or you can't stop them from washing the dishes while the band played, so have the audio specturm was masked.

Get over it, it's just a medium.

(To one and all, no jackass Mcluhan comments in response, please. Of course, as an object lesson, someone will, and I can't stop them.)

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:31 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:[quote="proletkult quoth

Uh Oh, looks like your quoth is on the fritz.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:34 pm

I got it. Nano-turbulence in the parallax fusion generator

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:42 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:Nano-turbulence in the parallax fusion generator

I hate it when that happens.

proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:46 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:proletkult quoth

The Tv industry uses Beta all the time so you see it all the time so no I'm not pissed off.

Umm, no. Betacam SP and Digital Betacam, as commonly used in the broadcast industries, are not the same as Betamax, the consumer video format that failed.

Fair point and I apologise.

No name · Post by **No name** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:49 pm

You want a tape like sound. Listen to an MP3 that has about 64kb or 92kb. At least, it always reminds me of cassette. I notice 128kb leaves you with a little bit of noise, it's not bad but it could be better. 192 is ideal for me because it's still at a reasonable size and the quality isn't too bad.

proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:56 pm

Peel wrote:
There's plenty going on to promote better formats but most people aren't interested. Based on your
Sounds like you want people to like what you have to offer, without offering them what they like.

I want people to be aware that they are not getting what they think they're getting. No one expects to pay more than £30 for a DVD player but their happy to spend a fortune on an i-pod with sound that isn't as good. Even portable DVD players are cheaper than some Mp3 players but DvDA isn't given a fair crack at the whip. Its just the industry screwing the consumer!

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:04 pm

proletkult wrote:Here we all are spending good money on gear that gets us great quality sound and there's a generation out there thinking good sound is an 8 bit Mp3. Why can't we get the industry to promote a better end product. Illegal downloading wouldn't look so attractive if you were able to get much higher quality recordings as standard. You wouldn't want a DVD with the audience walking around infront of the picture, why want a track with naff transients? Not as noticable I know but kids are getting use to this as good sound. Casettes were better than this! Or do you disagree?

I think its the variation in quality that bothers me most about mp3. I have some mp3's and i could almost forget that they werent pcm... but then again i have others that are beyond gash!

If the quality of mp3 could become improved slightly and standardised, then I wouldnt be to arsed about it. As is though, it is pretty poor. Almost makes me think about quitting warez altogether