ArtsAcoustic site and ArtsAcoustic Reverb demo`s online now

[nick at artsacoustic]

I'm gonna check the demo today but let me say one thing in advanced :
I already heard the MP3 demos so according to these results I know this reverb would be useful for me.

For those of you who give constructive criticism to the developers I'm sure they welcome it, however as for destructive criticism... could you guys be more polite and also think of what you're gonna write here ?
Here are New developers in the scene presenting a new product - dont give those developers ( the human beings seeting in front of the computer monitor ) a bad feeling.

thanks, Scr1pt3r.
i can take criticsm, and again, it`s welcome.
there are a lot of opinons in terms of reverb, and sadly there is allways this "mythy thing" if it comes to reverbs, allthough this applies to other categories, too (just wanna mention the rave about tubes. )
but i`m sure, that, if one keeps working a little longer with our reverb, he pretty much will be pointed to what you might have been discovered allready .
maybe the interrested people here should additionally listen to our mp3 demos to hear, what our reverb offers. our reverb is very different in terms of tweaking. what i mean is, that mostly "unusual" settings are leading to the really good results.
i mean, what is, what most users (including me, that was) are doing, when they try a reverb?
density, roomsize, diffusion all to the right.
that is different to our reverb.
you have to try unusual settings also.
mostly you will have the satisfying results if you just let go from the usual treatment.
it`s all a matter of knowing that everything is cooked with water at least .

[nick at artsacoustic]

LOL - I was just about to agree with you and you pulled the pin. So - what is with the spiralling prices on these verbs?

you mean you don`t hear the evolving quality on most reverb plugins over the time?:shock:

A business model where you sell lots of copies for an affordable price would be better for customer and developer for a whole stack of reasons.

which is exactly what we do

Let me play devil's advocate for a minute - overpriced plugins from companies with no track record whatever - WTF?

well, no comment on thatone

How do we know if these will run on Longhorn or VST 3.0 or whether the companies minting them will be around to update them?

we diddn`t build up ArtsAcoustic with that purpose. believe it or not.

If I buy a cheap Lexi box it will do what it does for many years and still have resale value. The same cannot be said for the plethora of new verbs. The TDM business model indeed.

well, you don`t necessarily have to go after our reverb.
go for tdm or a lexibox, as you say. needless to talk about the price then, isn`t it?
why moaning when you have the freedom of choice?

[nick at artsacoustic]

I do appreciate the efforts of arts acoustic to keep cpu usage light preventing users from bouncing every five minutes, but Nick, if I read you right, I would seriously love it if you made a real cpu-monster if you think you could make something that would give tc and lexicons high end reverbs a run for the money, I have a seperate computer mainly for verbs anyway (ir-1 at high samplingrates sure is a beast), if you think you can do it, I say bring it on.

well, it simply is not our philosophy to bring out another cpu hog. there are (will be) enough.
of course we are allways working to optimize our products in every way, maybe this will bring you what you might need lateron. but one of our highest priority is _and_ stays to release plugins at the highest state of quality _compared_ to a reasonable cpu usage. let`s see, what the future brings in terms of enhanced cpu`s and alike. this will of course be attentioned by us .

[nick at artsacoustic]

Hi there,

I wonder why nowadays a lot of people think that they have to diss a new plugin for whatever reason? Is it the power of the internet? Is it the big chance to have some influence on something? I would say yes.
What is so wrong when someone comes along and is a nice guy. What is so wrong when he says that they put a big amount of work into a plugin? And what's wrong then to want a certain amount of money for their work? Do you go to your local whatever store and hang around for hours a day to discuss certain products? Their prices? No you don't, because everybody knows that's stupid. Well, on KvR everything is different, you know?

So why don't you give this guy a break as he appears to be cool? Well, just my 2 cents.


All the best, FRitz

thank you fritz
what else can i say on this, hehe

[nick at artsacoustic]

Is this is a true stereo reverb?

yes.
we paid a lot of attention on that, as this is a thing that cannot be done with most algorithmic reverbs (as they summarize their input to mono), or with 2 channel convoluters.
listen to the mp3 demo nr. 37 on our product detail site of our reverb. that pretty much showes the true stereo behave. btw, listen to all of them to get a picture about our reverb

[nick at artsacoustic]

am I the only one confused by the company name? Shouldn't it be Acoustic Arts? Arts Acoustic sounds backwards. Maybe its a bad Euro translation?

Are you trolling? This is the second time you made this stupid statement. The name is Arts Acoustic. It makes as much sense to say that your name Jason Antiago is arse about tit and should be Antiago Jason. Sheesh! I sincerely hope you are joking - otherwise you have no poetic bone in your body.

lol ...
that much about constructive criticm.
ok, to sort it out.
we wanted AcousticArts.
it wasn`t free anymore.
ArtsAcoustic, as we found sounded even more good, phonetic-wise.
we did like it, so we chose it, as is still says what we wanted to say.
just as easy as that.

[nick at artsacoustic]

I do appreciate the efforts of arts acoustic to keep cpu usage light preventing users from bouncing every five minutes, but Nick, if I read you right, I would seriously love it if you made a real cpu-monster if you think you could make something that would give tc and lexicons high end reverbs a run for the money, I have a seperate computer mainly for verbs anyway (ir-1 at high samplingrates sure is a beast), if you think you can do it, I say bring it on.

Hi Nick,

I absolutely agree with Peter here. I suggest that you market it as an additional high-mega-super version. At the double price, of course!

Allow me to agree with the above posters.
If the sound got closer to a Lexi or TC I wouldnt mind if the cpu usage was trippled or even quadrupled. I think eventually the penny will drop with a developer that their is a section of the pc music making market out therr that are willing to spend that but extra for and live with a higher cpu usage for a seriously good sounding native reverb.

BTW these comments are not aimed at this particular product specifically (I tried the demo and I think its a fine reverb indeed) Im aiming this at developers in general.

i don`t really understand you guys:
if we did as you say, you`d have to buy a new computer and a new soundcard at least, just to open the plugin 2 or 3 times.
summarize the price of that.
and then go for a high class hardware product, as the cost in the same range.
how could that be a market?
sorry folks, just not our opinion, sorry.

[bmanic]

You keep forgetting render. Final bounce. Why not provide a "bounce only" quality setting that automatically activates when rendering (giving the user a choise to use this feature or not of course!) like Voxengo plugins? Personally I always go for quality over CPU effectivenes, in every case but that's just me..

Cheers!
bManic

[nick at artsacoustic]

You keep forgetting render. Final bounce. Why not provide a "bounce only" quality setting that automatically activates when rendering (giving the user a choise to use this feature or not of course!) like Voxengo plugins? Personally I always go for quality over CPU effectivenes, in every case but that's just me..

Cheers!
bManic

we have been thinking about this, indeed.
the problem is, that the high quality option would sound
too different.
as it`s a reverb, there would be a noticable change, way more as with f.e.eq`s or compressors, especially when using long tails or a lot of reverb in general. your mix would probably sound completely different then. also you have to see that some hosts only provide realtime bouncing.
but we are on such a feature, though up to now i cannot give a deeper insight, as we don`t know if it will work as desired. i hope you anderstand.

[bmanic]

True. I did forget that the reverb changes a lot. Actually, I did prefere the low quality setting in your reverb on certain things!

Cheers!
bManic

[nick at artsacoustic]

True. I did forget that the reverb changes a lot. Actually, I did prefere the low quality setting in your reverb on certain things!

Cheers!
bManic

you too ?
yes, me too, for some uses it sounds more ... oldschool.
some of our betatesters say that, too
has a lot of character.
i often use it for stuff that one shall really hear the reverb as an effect.

[egbert]

How do we know if these will run on Longhorn or VST 3.0 or whether the companies minting them will be around to update them?

we diddn`t build up ArtsAcoustic with that purpose. believe it or not.

What are you saying - that you have no intention of supporting the next version of windows due within 2 years?

If I buy a cheap Lexi box it will do what it does for many years and still have resale value. The same cannot be said for the plethora of new verbs. The TDM business model indeed.

well, you don`t necessarily have to go after our reverb.
go for tdm or a lexibox, as you say. needless to talk about the price then, isn`t it?
why moaning when you have the freedom of choice?

I was responding to Sickle's withdrawn comment about the TDM business model (ie overcharging) trickling down to the VST market. I don't use PT and have no interest in TDM. I have several VST reverbs including a couple of convolution verbs and they were all cheaper than yours. You might consider establishing your company's reputation for quality, longevity and support before going for top dollar on your plugins. This approach has been pursued by quite a few successful vendors.

[Sicklecell666]

I was responding to Sickle's withdrawn comment about the TDM business model (ie overcharging) trickling down to the VST market. I don't use PT and have no interest in TDM. I have several VST reverbs including a couple of convolution verbs and they were all cheaper than yours.

I should have let my comment stand, but I've been warned about what I say here at KvR. I will say that emerging developers charging near boutique prices for unproven products(and that is in no way exclusive or even directly refering to this company) aren't going to get my or many other individual's business. I say that with a full endorsement to make what money one can, but slaying a golden goose usually leaves a pile of stinky guts on your kitchen table..

edit: as for what I said, I made an observation that VST is slowly becoming a burgeoning Meat Market with TDM-style renumerational expectations from developers..

[Sicklecell666]

But by all means, good luck, man!

Laisse a fair and all that crap..

[Peter Pan]

i don`t really understand you guys:
if we did as you say, you`d have to buy a new computer and a new soundcard at least, just to open the plugin 2 or 3 times.
summarize the price of that.
and then go for a high class hardware product, as the cost in the same range.
how could that be a market?
sorry folks, just not our opinion, sorry.

Hey Nicky, in some of your previous posts you kind of implied that what was holding you back from making something as nice sounding as high end lexicons etc. was what you believed to be their too intensive for generic cpu dsp usage, right? I found that to be a sort of bold statement that needs backing up; if you think you can do it, prove it.

And btw, a seperate computer with soundcard will not get anywhere near as pricey as a high end lexicon.