KVR Audio

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:13 pm

rawcan wrote:
declassified wrote: Fascist, eh?

P.s. Before you blindly start flaming me for calling you a fascist I can tell you that I'm german. So I know all the arguments first hand. The chances that you know better than me are 0%, got it?
Come on,

don't declassify yourself like that. I'm german, too. Try this: Go to your favourite police station and steal some software in front of their eyes. And then call me a fascist again, OK? I will visit you in jail. Lübeck isn't that far away.

Have fun, FRitz

I dont think the police even know what software is, they probably think it has something to do with softdrugs

h2ogun99 · Post by **h2ogun99** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:21 pm

Well I have noticed something in the retail world that might put a spin on the whole copy protection concept.

In most of the big retail stores in the US...Wal-Mart, HomeDepot, Lowes, and so on. They use to keep all of the expencive electronics/tools/hardware in areas that were difficult to have access to. This kept shoplifting down.
Example: If I wanted a CD or a TV at WalMart I would have to go in to the 'electronics area' and purchase this. There is only one way in and one way out.

These stores did a ton of research and found that if they opened these areas and allowed free access to the products, with no official control, shoplifting would increase......but sales increased even more....

I spoke to someone in charge of a HomeDepot. He said that indeed stealing was greater, but that sales of these products were so much better that it made up for the increase in theft.
I found that very interesting. It goes against what we would normally think. I wonder how that model would work in the software world? Stealing is stealing right? Retail stores have been faced with this problem for centuries, when software have been fighting it for decades. Could we learn from that side of the sales world?

Lance

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:44 pm

seems a lot of warez users claim to have gone on and bought software. well... maybe, we must take their word for it. but also remember that inhabitants of kvr tend to be more 'computer aware' and perhaps even gained some feeling of ethics from the interactions with 'real people' developers.

i have some studio owner friends who have all the warez software you would want (and always they offer it to me on CDs), but would never for one moment consider buying any of it. they look at me as if i'm an idiot when i suggest they buy software. 'but we already have it' they say and seem very confused at why i would think they should now spend money for things they already have.

these same guys run a studio with stacks of very expensive hardware too.

this is not the only people like this i know.

so, in my own experience, warez users do not usually 'sample then buy'. i do not think you can say this 'warez then buy' idea is a standard progression.

rawcan · Post by **rawcan** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:08 pm

herodotus wrote: If you read any of that article at all, you would see that today copyright law makes it possible for it to be illegal for an author to read his own book on his own computer.

Does anyone really think this is sensible?

OK,

now this makes sense to me. If it is as you said. Would you do me a favour and point me directly to some reliable info about exactly that problem? That would be much appreciated.
And yes, obviously we were talking about different things as you might have found out until now.

Best wishes, FRitz

rawcan · Post by **rawcan** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:11 pm

Barf wrote:
rawcan wrote:
declassified wrote: Fascist, eh?

P.s. Before you blindly start flaming me for calling you a fascist I can tell you that I'm german. So I know all the arguments first hand. The chances that you know better than me are 0%, got it?
Come on,

don't declassify yourself like that. I'm german, too. Try this: Go to your favourite police station and steal some software in front of their eyes. And then call me a fascist again, OK? I will visit you in jail. Lübeck isn't that far away.

Have fun, FRitz
I dont think the police even know what software is, they probably think it has something to do with softdrugs

Hehe,

point taken. Maybe it doesn't work with your favourite police station...

Have fun, FRitz

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:14 pm

so, in my own experience, warez users do not usually 'sample then buy'. i do not think you can say this 'warez then buy' idea is a standard progression.

That's all about ethic...which some people have when other don't even know what this mean. Watch the world !!!

I guess that when things will get tighter with piracy people who are doing money with will be on the first line.

Rellik · Post by **Rellik** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:26 pm

Urs wrote:People who use warez'd audio software typically can afford

-> a fast, top notch computer...
-> a top notch midi control keyboard whatsoever...
-> a low latency audio interface...
-> a good home stereo or even a pair of nice monitors...

Just so you know, that is the least true thing I have read in this thread

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:32 pm

Rellik wrote:
Urs wrote:People who use warez'd audio software typically can afford

-> a fast, top notch computer...
-> a top notch midi control keyboard whatsoever...
-> a low latency audio interface...
-> a good home stereo or even a pair of nice monitors...
Just so you know, that is the least true thing I have read in this thread

Hmmm, it's about people who use the software, not about people who just collect it. They obviously need some decent equipment, and as long as they don't steal that as well, they should've enough bucks to pay for ALL the tools they use, including the software. Period.

Urs

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:34 pm

ericj23 wrote:
dramsenik wrote:
but sx 3 is not cracked after 7 months
wrong...
starforce - the currently uncrackable, but very bad for your system, games protection
wrong again...theses CDs can be copied.

Both system can be actually cracked and are already...

wrong

wrong

So SX legitimate run better?

No: just joking ...i don't know for SX because i don't know it neither have it, but i've seen plenty of ppls using it.(yes 3, yes cracked)

And for Starforce3 here's the How-To,
hope you speak french (if not: use a translator or go directly to the last page and click the picture)
http://www.tutoriaux-excalibur.com/starforce-3.htm

Of course i don't have to repeat that this is only for personnal backup.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:41 pm

dramsenik wrote:this is only for personnal backup.

That's about as cynical as the infamous "try before buy".

/mepukes.

Urs

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:45 pm

Urs wrote:
/mepukes.

Love that saying

rawcan · Post by **rawcan** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:45 pm

Rellik wrote:
Urs wrote:People who use warez'd audio software typically can afford

-> a fast, top notch computer...
-> a top notch midi control keyboard whatsoever...
-> a low latency audio interface...
-> a good home stereo or even a pair of nice monitors...
Just so you know, that is the least true thing I have read in this thread

Just so you know, this is among the dumbest reply you could give to such a thread.

Or the other way round: How many warez users do you know (besides you?)? I know quite some that sadly back up the statement Urs made, so...

P.S. Some of them even work at well known audio software companies.

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:46 pm

Urs wrote:
dramsenik wrote:this is only for personnal backup.
That's about as cynical as the infamous "try before buy".

/mepukes.

Urs

Not at all, the main purpose actually is to have an image on your harddrive and being able to play the game without inserting the CD (SO convenient with a laptop or during a trip.)

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:00 pm

"try before buy"

For me it worked and i can prove it when you want, i indeed tried before buying...like the splash screen said...

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:01 pm

dramsenik

Personnaly i have used many crack version of softs that i know have bought...what i gain with that?
-i can use the soft and follow the developement of it (features added, bugs removed etc...)
-during some time i can test intensively the application
and choose to invest in it or to not keep it and search something else.
With this in mind i find myself doing more advisable shopping.

My suspicion is this "I-can-download-a-crack-of-whatever-I-want" hubris leads to big software collections, but very little music making.

As I say, it's a only a suspicion because I can't know for sure.

But perhaps the psychology behind always-needing-fresh-software has a lot to do with the inability to write decent music with what's available.

And always needing fresh software in the belief it will somehow "make-me-better".

Trainspotting software IMO is the opposite hobby to making music.

(not sure if I've expressed this clearly, but ...)

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