RIAA Launches New Round of Lawsuits

[RoyNoahJones]

I don't know what you are basing your information on but I think you are totally wrong.

Here are some well researched facts that run counter your statements...

RIAA's Statistics Don't Add Up to Piracy

Statistics are also saying that everything is on a good path for economy .

Lots of managing directives are getting applied in the name of internet losses, as well as unfair pratics, but we should continue this conversation in 5 years or so.

People can continue to say f**k the riaa and long live warez (which is strictly the same idea by the way) ...

it doesn't matter if i'm right or wrong, hehe who am i ?

Getting something that doesn't belong you without the permission of the owner...is Wrong. End of it. now u can come with statistics, seminars, etc...

if you don't get what i mean, private message me your address and i'll come to your house and do so shopping and get away with it for free, and believe me that if i come up with statistics on robberies, you just won't let me go. That's a promise

[John Vulich]

People can continue to say f**k the riaa and long live warez (which is strictly the same idea by the way) ...

It's not the same thing at all. Musicians have other sources of income such as live shows, software developers don't.

Here's an excerpt from an interview with the founder of Propellerhead Software, Ermst Nathorst Böös...

Men Of Reason

Copy Wrongs

A big issue for any software house these days is software piracy. Companies come up with various ways of combating it, Propellerhead's being one of the least intrusive to the legitimate user. How big a problem is piracy for them? Niels: "It's hard to quantify. It's big, of course. But we're very pleased that so many people choose to do the right thing. We try also, rather than introducing copy protection that frustrates users and yet is instantly crackable, to make service and support easy for the people who have done the right thing and bought the program. We don't want to frustrate them with installation processes that are more convoluted than downloading a pirate version, if you know what I mean. It's almost a punishment with some software products to actually buy them. We really want our users to have an easy life. We try instead to add value to the process of registration. We have a very good registration database, and for our registered users we hope we will make our service much better.

"It's also about having the material that's included with the program. People will want the sounds. We have the Soundbank, that's 500Mb, and the new version has the Orkester [24-bit orchestral samples] collection for the NNXT sampler. The sheer size of that will prevent some downloads. We get the occasional post on the board that says: 'Oh, I've lost my soundbank CD, can anyone do me a copy?' I usually write 'Official reply from Propellerhead: Just register your software, and we'll sort you out.' Of course, you never hear back. We can also check, based on the songs that are being posted, whether they've been made using a pirate copy. On our archive, there are no songs made with pirated programs."

"No one really knows what the software issue is all about", adds Ernst. "I can illustrate with a story. I have three children; the oldest is 16. When Napster arrived, he started downloading songs like crazy. And he got to find out about so many new bands that he never heard about, which also meant that he started buying CDs like a lunatic. Then Napster disappeared, and he stopped buying as many records as he used to, because where is his source now? There's the radio, but he's not interested in the music that's played in the radio. And MTV? No! I'm saying that I can understand what the record industry is saying, but I can also show examples of the opposite. I think it's the same thing with software piracy. It is a major problem for us, but no one actually knows the mechanisms behind it. No one knows how many of these people bought the program who wouldn't actually have been your customers otherwise."

[RoyNoahJones]

You gotta be kidding... or know nothing about artist lives.

Which promoter will book you for live shows if you don't have a distinguishable audience ?

[herodotus]

I don't know what you are basing your information on but I think you are totally wrong.

Here are some well researched facts that run counter your statements...

RIAA's Statistics Don't Add Up to Piracy

Statistics are also saying that everything is on a good path for economy .

Lots of managing directives are getting applied in the name of internet losses, as well as unfair pratics, but we should continue this conversation in 5 years or so.

People can continue to say f**k the riaa and long live warez (which is strictly the same idea by the way) ...

it doesn't matter if i'm right or wrong, hehe who am i ?

Getting something that doesn't belong you without the permission of the owner...is Wrong. End of it. now u can come with statistics, seminars, etc...

if you don't get what i mean, private message me your address and i'll come to your house and do so shopping and get away with it for free, and believe me that if i come up with statistics on robberies, you just won't let me go. That's a promise

Do you really not see the difference?

I mean, is this hyperbole, or do you really mean this?

[RoyNoahJones]

Of course that's an hyperbole...
Some education gave us the possibility to see that it is one.

When we were younger we knew that when we heard a song that we loved we had to go to the shop to BUY it.

For some kids, it's weird for them to understand that they should have to pay for it.

like that interview of that 13 years old kid i saw the other day, who said that it's not a big problem if p2p gets stopped, because he could then host his server in a country were laws are not applicable. what to think of that ?

[John Vulich]

You gotta be kidding... or know nothing about artist lives.

Not sure what this is in response to.

[RoyNoahJones]

Which promoter will book you for live shows if you don't have a distinguishable audience ?

[Silly Billy]

Next I suspect you'll be comparing downloading mp3's with bank robbery. Nice predictable propaganda tactic but we ain't stoopid.

I didn't compare it to bank robbery but we can try

Every day i pass by the bank and i see that good amound of money that would bring me a lot fun and satisfaction, though i'd have to work to get it. on the otherhand if i could find a tool (gun or whatever) to get a hand on this for free, that'd be nice, and that wouldn't hurt anyone, because banks have so much money that they wouldn't feel it.

That's just a question of morality

i could as well as an artist say :

LOL look at those folks on TV they just lost their job , they got fired , their factory is closing hahah.

oh ! and those ones who are on strike because they consider they should earn more money because life is getting expensive, and they only want to work 35 hours per week.

i should think then , f**k them all, at least they're getting something for their work, and some of them probably thinks that we should get no money for our music because they decided so and felt normal to download music.

And some others could think, i don't give a f**k if they lost/not get paid enough for job, as i don't have one myself.

So you see this has nothing to do with RIAA brainwashing. Some artists are not spoiled kids, living at dads and mum's place, with a job or family money, or making music as a hobby to impress their uncle and aunt on sundays in front of an apple pie.

So every efforts to find some ways to get the artists paid for their work, will get my support.

call me naive if you want to.

And others could think, that "artists" like britney spears and justin timberlake (the teeny bopper artists that get ripped the MOST, etc.) are still rich off their asses.

P2P programs allowed me to get into dance music, and then DJ'ing, which has caused me to buy hundreds of records.

[Silly Billy]

like that interview of that 13 years old kid i saw the other day, who said that it's not a big problem if p2p gets stopped, because he could then host his server in a country were laws are not applicable. what to think of that ?

What limitations would p2p programs have on that kid hosting? The only thing he would then not be able to host in his country would be a p2p program.

[John Vulich]

You gotta be kidding... or know nothing about artist lives.

Which promoter will book you for live shows if you don't have a distinguishable audience ?

There are plenty of small venues to play in. I suppose you could also rent out your own venues. I didn't say it would be easy but people are doing it.

More reading for you from an Arizona metal band that advocates the use of P2P for promotion...

Interview with Father Brennan

[John Vulich]

Heres a page which has some links to articles where Artists like Steve Winwood, David Bowie, George Michael, Don Henley, Chuck D, Janis Ian and others speak out in favor of P2P...

DiaRIAA: Hall of Fame - Artists speak out

[herodotus]

The problem is, p2p is not only kids who just download and put it on their ipods.

Some of it is literal fan(atic)s downloading rare bootlegs because they have already bought everything the band has released and to them it just isn't enough.

These are the fans that not only go to every show of their favorite bands, they will proselytize for them: telling anyone who will listen how great are Slayer or Phish or The Greatful Dead or The Melvins or Frank Zappa or Rusted Root or Richard Thompson or any of the countless other artists who make a living despite the fact that they never get radio play.

But guess what?? The p2p activities of these dream fans, who give 'their' artist more money than they give their poor landlords, are just as illegal and just as actionable as the little twerp downloading the complete works of The Beastie Boys.

And that is just plain stupid.

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

What do you mean "What to think of that"? The United States doesn't own the internet. Soviergn nations have the right to do what they see fit, for the most part.

So long as they aren't building nukes, commiting genocide or torturing people...

The big problem in Rwanda is genocide. The fact that there is no punishment for downloading an mp3 in Rwanda is not the world's biggest concern about what's happening there.

I fail to see why it's a big deal that not all nations comply to our copyright method. Are you aware that there are only 2 countries in the world that use imperial measurement (The United States, and Australia, I belive).

Could it just possibly be that you are such an unabashed apollogist for the record labels that you would impose our f**ked up copyright laws on the world?

What to think of that?

[RoyNoahJones]

Interesting Reading ...thanks for the tip !

Though the decision of such actions comes from the owner of the recordings...
and my point starts and ends there.

at the end there's nothing we can do when it comes to the true intentions of people,
if they had in mind to steal they'll steal, if they want to be informed, idem.

[John Vulich]

Interesting Reading ...thanks for the tip !

Though the decision of such actions comes from the owner of the recordings...
and my point starts and ends there.

at the end there's nothing we can do when it comes to the true intentions of people,
if they had in mind to steal they'll steal, if they want to be informed, idem.

I should also point out that it is not my intent to defend music piracy but to be critical of the RIAA and perhaps show the beneficial aspects of P2P systems. There are, after all, 2 sides to every story.