KVR Audio

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:00 pm

Lowest latency is 24ms,
No ASIO or WDM
would you buy such a host ?

EDIT: 50ms latency is the BEST I can set up here !
At 24ms I get only crackles...

The host includes a bunch of VSTs and VSTi's
and has other nice functions too.

I would really like to see/hear what you think !

Would you recommend or buy such a host ?

Please vote !

dougsyo · Post by **dougsyo** » Thu May 05, 2005 1:03 am

Unless they offered either ASIO or WDM I would not consider them serious about the market.

For example, PowerTracks Pro Audio (I got it cheap with Band-in-a-Box several years ago) supports neither, although it can now play DXI's. The latency is bad, and it doesn't offer anything particularly special except some BIAB compatibility. I haven't used it since I got some "real" software (FLStudio, Sonar, and soon P5).

Edit: I've also used FLStudio without ASIO drivers - it really sucks rocks, but that was because I hadn't installed the correct drivers for my usb audio interface, and FLS doesn't do WDM.

Doug

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Thu May 05, 2005 1:24 am

Midiworks wrote:Lowest latency would be 24ms,
would you buy such a host ?

Higest sample rate is 48khz,
not sure, but I think not more than 16bit audio.

The host includes a bunch of VSTs and VSTi's
and has other nice functions too.

I would really like to see/hear what you think !

Would you recommend or buy such a host ?

My vote was Yes.
I think, that most of the users here could work more than comfortable with that "limitations".

But right, there are allot of people here, who want always the best from the best for theyr audio performance and internal resulution and so on...

But this don't neccessairly guarant them automaticly good final results, right?

I even fear, there are allot new folks arround here with self-build Super-DAWs right now, who - on the other side - never really got out any result of those machines...

ford442 · Post by **ford442** » Thu May 05, 2005 1:26 am

BAH! i just went from 33ms down to like 6.. never goin back...

arakula · Post by **arakula** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:21 am

Midiworks wrote:would you buy such a host ?

What for?

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:46 am

The host does NOT support ASIO or WDM... !

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:52 am

If the host was Tracktion...

M'Snah · Post by **M'Snah** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:59 am

jackle&hyde wrote: My vote was Yes.
I think, that most of the users here could work more than comfortable with that "limitations".

No. I think most people here who care about their music would not consider 16 bit acceptable.

The latency implies that you cannot really do audio. I'm not a latency freak, but 'lowest latency' of 24ms, implies that you would have audible latency, and you'd have to edit each and every recording to get the timing right.

Probably no VST delay compensation either... ?

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Thu May 05, 2005 9:02 am

I don't understand well the purpose to such a question but

Lowest latency would be 24ms

: that's too much to record percussive sounds, drums percussions, rythmic piano etc. That will just give you an awfull delay when recording.
Conclusion: Such a host would be totally useless (for me)

And for info i have a host without Asio and i can record in 96kHz 24bit with a latency as low as 1.3ms...
(1.5ms at 48kHz and 24bits)

sonicsmurf · Post by **sonicsmurf** » Thu May 05, 2005 9:10 am

I voted no. I sometimes enter complex drum patterns via the keyboard (and that's when I can feel the latency), so 24ms would be irritating. I am now at 3,6ms and anything above 15ms does not feel good anymore.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Thu May 05, 2005 9:58 am

50ms latency is the BEST I can set up here !
At 24ms I get only crackles...

P4 2ghz with 750mb ram
M-Audio 24/96

Occa · Post by **Occa** » Thu May 05, 2005 10:56 am

What are you talking about, what host ???

And if I where you, I would check my RAM, seems something is wrong with that too.

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:04 am

I see in my crystal ball that it's 768mb ram...
Midiworks?

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:20 am

dramsenik wrote:i guess it's 768mb ram
Midiworks?

Right !

Occa wrote:What are you talking about, what host ???

And if I where you, I would check my RAM, seems something is wrong with that too.

Let me quote the developper:

I believe ASIO is not needed. A lot of people blame their tools but the output is like the least important thing. I've been into this software for many years and I never noticed a need for ASIO. How does it actually improve the program?

This topic is ment as an "eye opener" for him,
so it would not be nice to name the product.

And no, there is nothing wrong with my ram or PC.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:45 pm

VST host without ASIO or WDM for $129 any use ?

I thought I tell you the price now...

They will raise the price to $149 soon.

KVR Audio

VST host without ASIO or WDM for $129, any use ?

VST host without ASIO, lowest latency would be 24ms, would you buy ?