Anybody Using Max w/ VST?

[ross g]

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so no one here ever uses/has used max/msp? even demo it? the only references i've seen on recent posts refer to high price/too deep... i'll check the archieves....

rg

[kindlingmania]

I'll get back to you on that... I'm getting it next paycheck. I recently read an interview with autechre and decided I need to see what it's about.

[Mr. Tunes]

all you students out there, pretty nice discount on this package

[jasonsantiago]

maxmsp is a great program, but they need to learn to integrate it with popular sequencers like NI has done with Reaktor.
Max is significantly more powerful (you can write your own objects in C++ or java) but it is hard sometimes just to make something basic. Also, people in the max community don't like sharing so the community doesn't grow as a whole very fast.... where NI's is very open and the patches evolve

max is more like college science experiments with a few people doing truly amazing things that apply to music.... these people really have an upper hand being able to manipulate max, but its all or nothing--you gotta learn it or don't bother.

[Amberience]

I use it.

[dougsyo]

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so no one here ever uses/has used max/msp? even demo it? the only references i've seen on recent posts refer to high price/too deep... i'll check the archieves....

There's some discussion of Max/MSP over in the Modular Synthesis forum here on KVR.

Doug

[ross g]

maxmsp is a great program, but they need to learn to integrate it with popular sequencers like NI has done with Reaktor.
Max is significantly more powerful (you can write your own objects in C++ or java) but it is hard sometimes just to make something basic. Also, people in the max community don't like sharing so the community doesn't grow as a whole very fast.... where NI's is very open and the patches evolve

i bought the opcode version of max a long time ago before msp, i think. i first used the ircam version in college and took advantage of the educational discount available at the time. i saw that Cycle '74 will transfer a license from the opcode version for $50, if they will give me the windows version, i'll do it. They do not have an upgrade path to msp, you have to buy it full price.

I was looking for a sequencer/daw/vst host to go with my emulatorX software which will operate standalone or vst. Tracktion 2 looks good to me, but as pointed out, a little shabby in the midi functions. Everyone has suggested energyXT, and i'll definatly check the demo when i'm up and running. I saw max in the host section and checked it their site. They claim "limitless integration" with vst as I read it.
I'd be interested in hearing from people using max as
a vst plugin, ie the midi functions. When I used it i don't think you could port to another midi app in real time, at least not easily. You could save what you did as a standard midi file and import it though. As i recall, max was actually pretty easy to use for simple things: triggering series of notes, changing one type of message to another (like using a sustain pedal or mod wheel to trigger note on messages), creating free running crazy random stuff, etc. From what I can tell, eXT does similar stuff, again i'll check it out. That said max was REALLY deep, better suited for programmers. The concept of max, i thought,was to make it easier to build midi tools for the non-hardcore programmer types and i thought sharing moduals was one of the basic concepts, one could download moduals programmed by others to use in your creations, too bad if that isn't the case. I don't know where i'm going with this, i'll check it out and report back, might be awhile....
note: i've never used msp, i'm mostly interest in the midi functions.

rg

[sgx]

Man, I use Max/MSP with Jitter in my video installations art class in school. Realtime video manipulation...wild stuff. Haven't yet gotten into audio functions really. Max is really...versatile. Crazy stuff. Prepare for learning curve! haha