surely you would ask people to come into this thread and vote for the preset that they thought was best ?I could go to the FL Studio forum and ask people to come in this thread and vote for me, but I won't.
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- KVRAF
- 3723 posts since 17 Apr, 2002 from Scotland
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10245 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
yeah thats what i meant.. I was under the impression torben would be voting alone.. 
but oh well wasnt really expecting to win this one 
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- Banned
- 4026 posts since 27 Jan, 2004
nah, it's not...My preset is the best, but since no one votes for it, I'm not gonna win...Torben wrote:That's just my taste. It is more fair this way I thinkpheeleep wrote:Ya I thought Torben would be voting, not Kvr'ians...
That's what Vitamin D meant, Torben.. that you would vote to decide which preset was the best..
Torben
..to tell ppl to vote for you, that's not nice...I hope the winner burns in hell, unless I win , then I hope to go to heaven.
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- KVRAF
- 2831 posts since 11 Jun, 2003
Ya of course Scuzzphut, I was only joking.. I would never ask people to blindly vote for me.. I would ask them to vote for their favorite entry.. I wasn't serious..
To be fair, however, each preset should have an audio demo posted along with it. How many people are going to download the demo of the plugin to check out all the presets and then vote?
I am pretty sure the majority of people voting are just listening to the presets that have audio examples in this thread and then casting their vote.
I can't be bothered to make an audio demo now ( it was never stated in the rules that we had to ) and I realized that we could do it only after many votes had already been cast.
Anyway, I didn't expect to win, but this contest hasn't seemed fair to me from the beginning.. the date for the submissions changed, then all of a sudden we were allowed to post audio clips ( whenever someone found out about that depended on luck ), then Torben decided not to do the voting himself ( which would have been the fair way to do it.. or, just make everyone download the demo of the plugin to evaluate the presets ).. Anyway, no hard feelings, it was fun.. but in the future, I would suggest coming up with a set of rules and sticking to them. Changing the rules as the contest goes seems unfair. From this experience, I don't think I will bother entering another Kjaerhus competition in the future. Way too messy and disorganized for my taste.
No hard feelings though, really. Just stating it as I see it.. I wish the best luck to all. I already have my compressor needs covered..
To be fair, however, each preset should have an audio demo posted along with it. How many people are going to download the demo of the plugin to check out all the presets and then vote?
I am pretty sure the majority of people voting are just listening to the presets that have audio examples in this thread and then casting their vote.
I can't be bothered to make an audio demo now ( it was never stated in the rules that we had to ) and I realized that we could do it only after many votes had already been cast.
Anyway, I didn't expect to win, but this contest hasn't seemed fair to me from the beginning.. the date for the submissions changed, then all of a sudden we were allowed to post audio clips ( whenever someone found out about that depended on luck ), then Torben decided not to do the voting himself ( which would have been the fair way to do it.. or, just make everyone download the demo of the plugin to evaluate the presets ).. Anyway, no hard feelings, it was fun.. but in the future, I would suggest coming up with a set of rules and sticking to them. Changing the rules as the contest goes seems unfair. From this experience, I don't think I will bother entering another Kjaerhus competition in the future. Way too messy and disorganized for my taste.
No hard feelings though, really. Just stating it as I see it.. I wish the best luck to all. I already have my compressor needs covered..
Play it by ear
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 478 posts since 14 Jan, 2003 from Denmark
Well pheeleep, that was a big mouthful and I understand your frustration. I admit I am not used to arrange competitions and haven't thought about everything that could happen. The change of rules as you call them are what I consider to be additions to the rules that was necessarily as it became clear that someone already had posted more patched and later on someone posted demos. I just tried to make it equal for everybody after it had happened. I will of course learn from this so it does not happen again if / when I should arrange another contest.
Torben
Torben
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- KVRAF
- 2831 posts since 11 Jun, 2003
Hi Torben,
Please know that I am not mad. I shared my thoughts with you so you could improve the system in the future Again, I am really grateful for all the free plugins you provide and in no way am I saying that your company isn't good. I am just sharing my experience with you
In the future, please post all the rules at once, in the original thread, and do not allow yourself to change them
Take care ( and I really mean that ).
Please know that I am not mad. I shared my thoughts with you so you could improve the system in the future
Again, I am really grateful for all the free plugins you provide and in no way am I saying that your company isn't good. I am just sharing my experience with you In the future, please post all the rules at once, in the original thread, and do not allow yourself to change them
Take care ( and I really mean that ).
Play it by ear
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 478 posts since 14 Jan, 2003 from Denmark
OK pheeleep, but to answer some of your complaints:
1. The submission dateline date was extended. I do not see why that is unfair?
2. The entrees were lined up for 24 hours before the voting. You were all asked to make a demo for your patch. At this time several contenders had already made demos so it was only fair to give others a chance to do that as well. I even offered to host the demos.
3. I clearly stated from the beginning that there would be a vote here at the KvR forum. I never said I would be the judge.
Torben
1. The submission dateline date was extended. I do not see why that is unfair?
2. The entrees were lined up for 24 hours before the voting. You were all asked to make a demo for your patch. At this time several contenders had already made demos so it was only fair to give others a chance to do that as well. I even offered to host the demos.
3. I clearly stated from the beginning that there would be a vote here at the KvR forum. I never said I would be the judge.
Torben
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- KVRAF
- 2831 posts since 11 Jun, 2003
OK pheeleep, but to answer some of your complaints:
1. The submission dateline date was extended. I do not see why that is unfair?
It is unfair to change any rules in a contest once the rules have been posted.. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
2. The entrees were lined up for 24 hours before the voting. You were all asked to make a demo for your patch. At this time several contenders had already made demos so it was only fair to give others a chance to do that as well. I even offered to host the demos.
I think you should have told the contenders that had made audio demos that that wasn't what you asked for. You asked for a preset, not an audio demo. So, what would have been fair would have been to reject audio demos altogether.
We were asked later on to hand demos, yes. Not in the original rules. I saw this info by chance, and a lot of people had already voted ( most votes going to people who already had an audio demo ). Is this a coincidence?
3. I clearly stated from the beginning that there would be a vote here at the KvR forum. I never said I would be the judge.
Hey no worries.. none of this matters anymore.. but let's look at how things really are. 2o people make a preset, 5 people get the info in time that they had to hand an audio demo. There are 5 audio demos up, and 80% of the people voting are voting between those entries that have the audio demos. Does that seem fair? Do you think people are downloading the demo to check out the presets? I think some people did, but not many. Let's be realistic.. If you changed the rules and decided to make audio demos an option, then you should have made the audio demos yourself, no? Did you really expect everyone to get the info in time?
Anyway, let's leave it at that, ok? Like I said, I am over it
1. The submission dateline date was extended. I do not see why that is unfair?
It is unfair to change any rules in a contest once the rules have been posted.. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
2. The entrees were lined up for 24 hours before the voting. You were all asked to make a demo for your patch. At this time several contenders had already made demos so it was only fair to give others a chance to do that as well. I even offered to host the demos.
I think you should have told the contenders that had made audio demos that that wasn't what you asked for. You asked for a preset, not an audio demo. So, what would have been fair would have been to reject audio demos altogether.
We were asked later on to hand demos, yes. Not in the original rules. I saw this info by chance, and a lot of people had already voted ( most votes going to people who already had an audio demo ). Is this a coincidence?
3. I clearly stated from the beginning that there would be a vote here at the KvR forum. I never said I would be the judge.
Hey no worries.. none of this matters anymore.. but let's look at how things really are. 2o people make a preset, 5 people get the info in time that they had to hand an audio demo. There are 5 audio demos up, and 80% of the people voting are voting between those entries that have the audio demos. Does that seem fair? Do you think people are downloading the demo to check out the presets? I think some people did, but not many. Let's be realistic.. If you changed the rules and decided to make audio demos an option, then you should have made the audio demos yourself, no? Did you really expect everyone to get the info in time?
Anyway, let's leave it at that, ok? Like I said, I am over it
Play it by ear
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- KVRist
- 490 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Hamburg
if you were over it, your last post wouldn't exist.
aka rktic. demoscener (Farbrausch, Holon, MFX, Still), sound designer, ux-dude, sth @AudioRealism, human synthesizer—not necessarily in that order.
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- KVRAF
- 2831 posts since 11 Jun, 2003
I am simply expressing my point of view, to help Torben come up with more consistent rules in the future... I am still open to discuss this with Torben if he wishes to. What I mean by "I am over it" is that I am no longer bothered by the whole thing. The world has moved on 
Play it by ear
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
The only thing I found a bit suspicious was that you actually knew the name of the person doing whichever preset. I would've made them anonymous.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 3345 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from Amsterdam
Wouldn't that have made the voting a lot harder?Sascha Franck wrote:The only thing I found a bit suspicious was that you actually knew the name of the person doing whichever preset. I would've made them anonymous.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
How so? Do you vote by the preset or by the person?M'Snah........(aka HansM) wrote: Wouldn't that have made the voting a lot harder?
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- 291 posts since 30 Apr, 2005 from Amsterdam, The Netherlands
It does seem a bit unfair if most of the votes go towards the ones with the audiodemos.
I guess like some of the others, I didn't find out about including a demo until the voting started and reckoned it was based on people having to check all presets inside of the plugin
I guess like some of the others, I didn't find out about including a demo until the voting started and reckoned it was based on people having to check all presets inside of the plugin