KVR Audio

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:22 am

I sometimes find myself with the need to perform a wet/dry on an effect which does not provide a wet/dry - plogue's rebuilder being a good example.

My request is for a VST device which can load the VST effect, with no wet/dry function, into the 'wet' side of the effect giving me the option to slide between the two sources.

Is it possible?

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:22 am

That's what Sends are for. If the vendor doesn't provide wet/dry levels or balance, it's impossible to achieve this without going parallel somehow (i.e. Send). It's frustrating isn't it?

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:25 am

greendoor wrote:That's what Sends are for. If the vendor doesn't provide wet/dry levels or balance, it's impossible to achieve this without going parallel somehow (i.e. Send). It's frustrating isn't it?

Exactly!

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:29 am

ah, I use sends differently - totally differently - I want to be able to crossfade between the signals.
crossfades and sends aren't the same.

Rellik · Post by **Rellik** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:29 am

So... you're all saying you agree with CinningBao's idea? Because I think it's a great idea!

You could use something like energyXT for it very easily, though. Just the effect and a mixer taking wet and dry, outputting to output - easy dry/wet control.

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:34 am

yeah, I could also do it in plogue, but it seems a bit unnecessary having to load in eXT (not that I've ever used it) just to create a crossfade.
could a _very_ streamlined version be coded in c++ or something?.. thats what I'm thinking.

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:35 am

CinningBao wrote:ah, I use sends differently - totally differently - I want to be able to crossfade between the signals.
crossfades and sends aren't the same.

So then you basicly need a chainer plugin, which is finally a host, which acts as a plugin.

That's not done with a simple plugin for some reasons.

There are some tools already out there. (I think, the Spark FX Engine can do this satisfactory, but probably others too.)

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:41 am

Tracktion adds automatable wet and dry parameters to every filter. I'm guessing you don't want to change hosts just for this feature, but maybe something similar is already included, but hidden somewhere in your sequencer?

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:31 am

By crossfade, you mean crossfading between 100% and 100% wet? You're right - using send couldn't do that. I've seen plugins that hook into other VST .dlls - so I believe it would be possible to make a plugin that could add wet/dry balance. As a temporary fix you could clone the track and mix between the two.

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:53 am

greendoor wrote:By crossfade, you mean crossfading between 100% and 100% wet? You're right - using send couldn't do that. I've seen plugins that hook into other VST .dlls - so I believe it would be possible to make a plugin that could add wet/dry balance. As a temporary fix you could clone the track and mix between the two.

Why don't "Send" work?
Please explain me that.

In my opinion it works perfectly with common effects, like delays, reverbs, chorusses and other.
Even distortions and possibly all other too.

Maybe you don't see the possibilities, that "sends" and "bus routing" finally has...

How, do you believe that was done in the past with analogue technique?

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:23 am

Send is great for layering a wet sound over the top of your dry sound. But I think CinningBao wants to crossfade between 100% wet and 100% dry. Imagine something like a distortion effect. Using send, you could layer some distortion over the top of your dry sound, but I don't think it would be easy to get 100% wet sound. That would depend on whether your send was pre-fade (possible) or post-fade (not possible). Maybe possible but not easy or elegant.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:26 am

I guess the reason this doesn't come up often is because most insert effects are controlable from 0% to 100% processing. Most sound-on-sound effects usually require some dry sound, so post-fade send is adequate. Also, most developers are smart enough to include wet and dry level or balance controls.

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:52 am

greendoor wrote:Send is great for layering a wet sound over the top of your dry sound. But I think CinningBao wants to crossfade between 100% wet and 100% dry. Imagine something like a distortion effect. Using send, you could layer some distortion over the top of your dry sound, but I don't think it would be easy to get 100% wet sound. That would depend on whether your send was pre-fade (possible) or post-fade (not possible). Maybe possible but not easy or elegant.

Right.
And this isn't reachable with sends and automation?

Sorry.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:53 am

You could easily build what you want in Reaktor, but it would require a modular enviornment like eXT to expoit as you would require the original unaffected signal @ 100% in addition to the 100% wet, which you will not(that I'm aware of) accomplish using a conventional sequencer's serial inserts. rachMiel & I built a 4 way mixer that uses optional semi-randomized automation to morph between 4 mono inputs.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:56 am

crap, i just got through doing this in tracktion. is this not a normal host thing?

Device Request: wet/dry machine