VST host without ASIO or WDM for $129, any use ?

[jens]

why bother?

exactly what I am wondering...

[deltasp]

BTW: A new version with latency selector down to 10ms is ready, but please make sure your card is better than onboard sound for that low a latency.

[rockstar_not]

wait, i had an idea.. if i ever saw someone who had absolutely no talent, and 150 bucks to blow, i would tell him that this software would do everything he needed; to prevent his bad music from ever surfacing.

But another thought - if a developer put the time and money into doing a high-quality render and an extremely friendly UI, and did not market themselves as a "live playing" environment - ie they focused on using the piano roll/score/drum grid rather than keyboard MIDI input - they might find a buyer.

But still, that's a stretch at $129 or so, and they're knocking out a good chunk of the more-knowledgable users - people that MIGHT consider a new host when they get tired of dongle-hell, expensive upgrades, discontinued products, or whatever would cause someone to look for a new host.

Doug

Doug,

As you pointed out in your first post, PowerTracks Pro Audio already does this, and it includes a notation editor. And it only costs $50 - so no way will this thing fly.

n-Track is yet another under $100 that supports both ASIO and WDM and Re-Wire amongst other things, and comes with a really cool 20 band parametric EQ (no I don't use it, I use Tracktion and sometimes PTPA)

-Scott

[Jaeson Merrill]

In the same way that we already have enough plugin formats, we already have enough driver formats. This new format doesn't seem to provide any benefit over the current ones, so why bother?

yes, i thought this was obvious.

jens?

[Jaeson Merrill]

BTW: A new version with latency selector down to 10ms is ready, but please make sure your card is better than onboard sound for that low a latency.

oooo, its deltasp??? was wondering about that one.

too bad now..

[Jaeson Merrill]

i thought someone said they were getting latencies below 10ms already... wonder how that is possible when
deltasp said:
"A new version with latency selector down to 10ms is ready, "

[Midiworks]

Midiworks you are a moron! This thread is malicious and it only does undeserved harm to one certain developer and his product.

It's obvious which 'host' you are referring to.

Really ???
All I said was that this host does not have ASIO or WMA, much later that the price is $129 and will be raised to $149 soon, that was all.

This application has it's own low-latency system (called 'AudioX') which works with any soundcard so you neither need asio nor wdm. Depending on your soundcard you can easily achieve latencies well below 10ms without any problem.

Buy yourself a proper soundcard instead of bashing other people's software! And next time get the facts straight!

If you think an M-Audio 24/96 in not a proper soundcard,
and you are thinking this is "bashing",
I wonder who the moron is.

Maybe you dont have a fast enough proc? The installer says its ideal proc is 1500MHz and preferably 2500MHz or higher. I havent even tried it myself as I am still working off an old P3-1GHz.

P4 2ghz with 768mb ram
M-Audio 24/96
Creamware Pulsar + 16 i/o
Close to 1tb hard disk...

All, and I said ALL audio softs (yes, even SX)
work perfect here, no latency problems or whatever.
Only with this one...


So, why all this ?
I think that the Delta SP's VST builder really has potential.

After saving the included "MiniMoog" as VSTi
(worked perfectly),
and listing to the sound quality of that VSTi,
I was really amazed, it sounded FANTASTIC and cpu
was fine too !
(better than many VSTi)

The sequenzer on the other side reminded me, sorry,
of kindergarden...

Even the builder is kind of beta in many places.

So, is this a $129/149 product ?
Maybe in a few years if it survives,
and can build up a solid user base.
At the moment its not flesh nor fish...

So, in what corner does Delta SP belongs ?
Sure not into the audio/midi/sequencer market,
even not at the low end of it.

He belongs clearly into the Synthedit/Synthmaker group.
The idea to get a greater potential customer group,
by adding a seqenzer will convince nobody to buy.

85% of the 84 voters(72) of this poll,
would not buy the product because of the missing ASIO or WMA.
6 people would buy such a product, another
6 people maybe.

So whats the point ?

Making a few $ with FORCED !!!:x popup adds on his website or to get serious in that business ?

It would be a good idea to listen and to think about
what people said here.

This was the whole idea of this topic.

Instead he wrote:

BTW: Nice thought provoking thread about the ASIO but I'm more on the radio/CD shop end of music so arguing techno speak is pointless for me.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 66#1133366

At least he seams to give good support to his users,
now he only needs to find out where his place is,
and get things right.

[jens]

In the same way that we already have enough plugin formats, we already have enough driver formats. This new format doesn't seem to provide any benefit over the current ones, so why bother?

yes, i thought this was obvious.

jens?

why do you care how it is called? What if Robin called it Asio instead of AudioX?

I still fail to see any logic behind your argument.

If every single sequencer out there would have its own low-latency-system it wouldn't change anything for the user in any way as long as the performance would be the same. It only changes something for the programmer of the application but why oh why should the user care?

Another plugin format is a totally different thing because you suddenly have to care if the sequencer you want to use works with the plugin you want to use.

As AudioX works with any soundcard you have no problem of such kind. You just start DeltaSP and confoigure it for your soundcard. After that you can work with it.

[jens]

i thought someone said they were getting latencies below 10ms already... wonder how that is possible when
deltasp said:
"A new version with latency selector down to 10ms is ready, "

He's talking about the 'quick setup' menu which also Midiwork is referring to´. You can open a menu and tick a latency directly. However you can also open a configuration dialog where you can set it up for much lower latencies. (if you have a proper soundcard)

Midiworks apparently simply doesn't really know the programme he is putting down!

[jens]

This application has it's own low-latency system (called 'AudioX') which works with any soundcard so you neither need asio nor wdm. Depending on your soundcard you can easily achieve latencies well below 10ms without any problem.

Buy yourself a proper soundcard instead of bashing other people's software! And next time get the facts straight!

If you think an M-Audio 24/96 in not a proper soundcard,
and you are thinking this is "bashing",
I wonder who the moron is.

I guess you're just too stupid to set it up properly...

[Midiworks]

i thought someone said they were getting latencies below 10ms already... wonder how that is possible when
deltasp said:
"A new version with latency selector down to 10ms is ready, "

He's talking about the 'quick setup' menu which also Midiwork is referring to´. You can open a menu and tick a latency directly. However you can also open a configuration dialog where you can set it up for much lower latencies. (if you have a proper soundcard)

why do you care how it is called? What if Robin called it Asio instead of AudioX?

Usualy you select your ASIO driver than click OK,
thats all there is to do !

And you still dont see why ???

Midiworks apparently simply doesn't really know the programme he is putting down!

You really still dont get it, dont you ?

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What the f**k is this now ???

I just tried to download the new version,
suddlenly, where the download link apears, a
POPUP that nearly looks the same opens up !!!

The popup is so well timed that you click it instead of the REAL download link !!!

Man, Delta SP that is sick !!!

[whyterabbyt]

I find it highly distateful when one developer conducts a 'dirty tricks' campaign against another. For some reason, that is what MidiWorks appears to be doing here, and its not the first time he's spent a large amount of effort attacking other developers or companies. I consider it to be very dubious behaviour indeed, and I hope that all potential customers of his own products make themselves aware of the kind of vindictive behaviour he appears to revel in.

[M'Snah]

I find it highly distateful when one developer conducts a 'dirty tricks' campaign against another. For some reason, that is what MidiWorks appears to be doing here, and its not the first time he's spent a large amount of effort attacking other developers or companies. I consider it to be very dubious behaviour indeed, and I hope that all potential customers of his own products make themselves aware of the kind of vindictive behaviour he appears to revel in.

I agree... This is developing into an embarrassing thread, and most of the discussion has nothing to do with the thread title anyway.

[Midiworks]

I was bashing nobody,
didnt even mentioned the products name,
untill the developer revealed it himself.

The idea was really to get him into the right direction.
To make him aware that ASIO/WMA is needed.

whyterabbyt, M'Snah, I guess you did not follow the whole topic,
otherwise you would not had written such words.

But sure that POPUP trick freaked me out !

[jens]

a thread in a parallel universe:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... t=#1130487

Your original posts I found to be a bit more amusing than the current ones. To bad that you edited them the next day... (reveals a bit more of your nice character though)