Playing guitar style in Sonik Synth 2
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 27 Feb, 2005
Okay, I've watched this qt clip from West LA Music (SonikSynth2_3a.mov @ 00:00:39) a hundred times and I still don't get how you make the guitar preset sound so realistic, Squids! I'm guessing you used Deluxe Acoustic Guitar because that's the only one I found that has sound efx in the lower register and harmonix in the upper register. You mention that if you hit it harder you get a slide, but I don't get any slide. I've found resources on I-Map. Are there any resources on these guitar presets?
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
No resources yet. I'll be doing a bunch of things though for that and other instruments.
If you hit hard on the deluxe acoustic you do get a slide up but if you aren't then check that your controller is sending the full 127 velocity message. Some controllers don't! Weird eh?
As to realism, this depends on how you play and add in the squeaks and slides in between your playing. This takes practice. I am not as good at it as I would like so I need to practice myself. One other thing that adds realism is playing "skewed" with the notes when you play chords. Remember a guitar player has picks going across strings at different times. Then the voicings have to be similar to what a guitar player would do. A guitar player typically has 6 strings... there's more to say but I have to run for a sec. I'll come back.
If you hit hard on the deluxe acoustic you do get a slide up but if you aren't then check that your controller is sending the full 127 velocity message. Some controllers don't! Weird eh?
As to realism, this depends on how you play and add in the squeaks and slides in between your playing. This takes practice. I am not as good at it as I would like so I need to practice myself. One other thing that adds realism is playing "skewed" with the notes when you play chords. Remember a guitar player has picks going across strings at different times. Then the voicings have to be similar to what a guitar player would do. A guitar player typically has 6 strings... there's more to say but I have to run for a sec. I'll come back.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 54 posts since 27 Feb, 2005
Thanks for the tip, Squids! I softened up the touch setting on my Clavinova and now I can hit those slides. I just have to practice adding the tweaks. Man, this is addictive!Squids wrote:If you hit hard on the deluxe acoustic you do get a slide up but if you aren't then check that your controller is sending the full 127 velocity message. Some controllers don't! Weird eh?
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Great. Yeah, it's a lot of fun when you get into it. For keyboard players the virtual guitar and drum stuff we make really opens up doors for writing. I can't nearly do the things I can do on keys on the actual instruments! But, I like to write parts for every instrument and that's why we make these sounds.
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 1 Nov, 2003 from Charlotte, NC - USA
Anyway someone could post a link to that clip or host it so we could all see Squids making a guitarist out of himself? I searched West L.A. web site and couldn't find it. I'd really love to see it. If it's anything like his drumming, guitar players should run away!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 54 posts since 27 Feb, 2005
I originally downloaded them from the Sonic Reality website. It was a link off the main page, if I remember correctly. They were four quicktime movies named SonikSynth2_Na.mov (where n=1 to 4)midinut wrote:Anyway someone could post a link to that clip or host it so we could all see Squids making a guitarist out of himself? I searched West L.A. web site and couldn't find it. I'd really love to see it. If it's anything like his drumming, guitar players should run away!
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- KVRian
- 1157 posts since 1 Apr, 2003 from Good old Germany
If anyone is interested, I programmed a guitar picking style, using an acoustic guitar sound from STLE / OmniSynth. It should work with any decent guitar sample. It includes typical chord spacing, typical note lengths!! and picking combined with a slow strum. That could help to get an insight on how one could do it. Let me know if you like it, then I'll search my archieves and mail the Cubase project file. And if you say "please, please" I might extract a MIDI file, if someone's really interested. It's nothing veeeeery fancy, but it would have saved me a lot of time to have such a MIDI file myself and study it.
One should realise, though, that "realistic" strumming is almost impossible with single note samples, but a slow strum can sound quite real. So it would really be a cool thing to have samples of chords (up and downs) plus single notes from the same guitar, that would take it a step further.
In my eyes, not even dedicated guitar software, like RealGuitar, do it "right enough" these days, talking about the percussive aspect of strumming. But picking, soloing and slow strums can be quite convincing.
Martin
One should realise, though, that "realistic" strumming is almost impossible with single note samples, but a slow strum can sound quite real. So it would really be a cool thing to have samples of chords (up and downs) plus single notes from the same guitar, that would take it a step further.
In my eyes, not even dedicated guitar software, like RealGuitar, do it "right enough" these days, talking about the percussive aspect of strumming. But picking, soloing and slow strums can be quite convincing.
Martin
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