T-Racks Vs. Ozone

[Amberience]

Definitely not worth the money? It is a suite of 5 plug-ins and each one is the software emulation of a very expensive piece of hardware outboard gear. It's not worth less than $85 for that compressor? That parametric EQ? Multiband limiter? Come on! Haven't you ever drooled over these hardware pieces at the music store?

As for anyone being impressed with its sound this is of course a matter of opinion.

Answered your own question Squids. Its because of the sound that I feel its not worth the money, not because you don't get enough.

I'm much more comfortable using my GCO-1, GPP-1, GEQ-1, and they cost just as much as T-Racks, so no need to talk about price affecting my ability to make decisions.

[ResonantOrder]

One more here who wasn't impressed with T-racks. Definitely not worth the money imho. Haven't tried Ozone, but if its as good as everyone says it is...

Definitely not worth the money? It is a suite of 5 plug-ins and each one is the software emulation of a very expensive piece of hardware outboard gear. It's not worth less than $85 for that compressor? That parametric EQ? Multiband limiter? Come on! Haven't you ever drooled over these hardware pieces at the music store?

As for anyone being impressed with its sound this is of course a matter of opinion. But, I talk to a lot of pro musicians and engineers and I am not kidding but I have not heard of one not liking the sound of TRacks. Maybe you think I am making that up but it is totally true. I know a few picky engineers who wouldn't use software at all but those that do use software tend to like the sound of TRacks.

It's only on a forum like this where I see anyone say anything bad about it. That's strange to me. Sometimes I think people on here are just against any product that costs more than a couple hundred bucks... as if that is "expensive" when anyone who has had a studio filled with hardware gear knows that this isn't expensive at all. I guess it is relative to what you're used to. It is totally worth the money for the right person. If it wasn't it would be a consistent top seller all these years for major stores like Guitar Center.

If it was hardware, I could sell it if I wanted to, and not have to give one penny to anyone for a license transfer. Isn't the transfer fee 100.00? Someone recently posted that the individual plugs have latency that is not reported to the host, and there's no way to find out what that latency is. Is that true? I've been wondering ever since I read it.

That being said, I really like the sound of T-racks-but I'd want it more for the individual plugs. I still prefer ozone to an overall master. I've tried both and they both have their uses. It's just the ability to sell it if I end up not using it and the latency issues that are impacting my judgement at this point.

If I've heard wrong, please feel free to correct me.

[pheeleep]

Seriously guys, if you think T Racks sounds like crap then you need to learn how to use it ( and by that I don't mean just loading some of the presets )or, it simply just does not fit the type of music that you make. It might not be the type of sound you are looking for, but that doesn't make it crap.

I use both T Racks and Vintagewarmer, and they both sound very good. I can't speak for Ozone though, but from what I gather it is a high quality program.

I love the T Racks compressor! I use it a ton! It's one of my most used plugins ( and I own a ton of plugins ). I also love the T Racks limiter. Also use it a ton. But then again, I love the T Racks sound. It fits the type of music that I make ( Trip hop/hip hop/electronica/Dance music).

I don't make Rock, blues, funk and T Racks may indeed color the sound too much for those types of music. I can believe it. However, for dance music, it colors the sound beautifully ( in my opinion ).

The only T Racks module I never use is the Eq. I prefer to "draw" my EQ curves rather than tweaking knobs..

If you are going to get T Racks, I suggest getting the VST version that comes with all the different/separate modules.. so you can load whichever element you want to use.

My best piece of advice is to try out the demos. They are available, and you should use them to see which one you prefer

As for which one to get... I have heard great things about Ozone and I know for a fact that T Racks is great so I guess you can't really go wrong either way The advantage of T Racks is that you can load different elements separately which will significantly save CPU for you ( If you just want to use the compressor, you don't have to load the Eq, the limiter, or soft clipper ). For Ozone, you have to load all it's elements at once which in return will be a higher CPU hit for you ( from what I have gathered ).. but please correct me if I am wrong.

So, Ozone.. can't really use it on individual channels unless you have tons of CPU resources to spare. It is a mastering plugin exclusively ( due to the CPU hit )

T Racks: Use it to master or on individual tracks, and pick which elements you want to load depending on your needs..

In the end, the more tools, the more options, the better

Oh, and Vintagewarmer can't replace T Racks. They don't sound the same. They both sound great but not the same

If I want to add fatness, I use Vintagewarmer, if I want to add magic sparkle, I use T Racks. If I want to add both, I use both

[Amberience]

Seriously guys, if you think T Racks sounds like crap then you need to learn how to use it ( and by that I don't mean just loading some of the presets )or, it simply just does not fit the type of music that you make. It might not be the type of sound you are looking for, but that doesn't make it crap.

No, but that doesn't make an opinion any less valid either. I'm not trying to slag off T-racks just for the sake of it, thats not my style. I genuinely prefer my Golden Processors and the freeware ones I have (IQ4 anyone?) to T-Racks.

I can't speak for Ozone, but like Squids with T-Racks, I only ever heard good things about it.

[Jeremy_NSL]

Now, Ozone isn't as easy to use. It sounds different. It doesn't sound bad or anything. Some of the things you can do with it seemed interesting to me in a tweaky sort of way but for me if I am going to get "surgical" then Waves is ideal for that (restoration for example of "fixing it in the mastering"). However, if you do good clean mixes that don't need tweaky surgery...

I think its fine when you jump into to promo your own product, Squids - yay capitalism and all that... But cutting down Ozone as only good for mixes needing 'tweaky surgery' is a low blow. Ozone is ideal for any mix!

The truth is Ozone is: far more flexible than TR, far cheaper than TR, and IMO possesses far better sound-quality than TR.

Perhaps you're right and TR compares very favourably value-wise with vintage hardware gear - however as you know, thats totally irrelevant to this thread!

[bongo_x]

I really like T-Racks (the plugin version) and I'm baffled by some peoples opinions. It seems like some people haven't taken the time to try it out thoroughly. I find it very versatlie and far from having a limited range of sound.

also all the comments about how many different parts there are to Ozone. I have no experience with Ozone and so I have no opinion.TR has a compressor, multi band limiter, eq, and brick wall limiter. no reverb. it seems like some people have bagged on TR without having checked it out enough to even notice what was included.


take some time to check out the demo and go beyond the presets and you mey find something you like.

Billy

[Squids]

For the record I use Ozone and love it. I haven't tried T-Racks. After all why would I need to, my search stopped with Ozone.

Just my 2c

For the different flavor of sound from a different EQ, Compressor, Limiter etc. That was my main point. You think that an engineer or producer stops at saying he has a good DBX and he isn't interested in using a Pultec or LA2A or Fairchild etc? They don't. So, my question is why should anyone using a virtual studio think differently than that especially if it doesn't cost nearly as much as what it would in hardware?

I personally like to get as close as possible with my virtual studio set up to the benefits of hardware analog and tube gear. I would still prefer to have a rack of real Pultecs, Fairchilds and the rest. Don't get me wrong! But, who can afford all of that? Plus you run out of them per channel (unless you are Shelly Yakus... for those who know ). The beauty of these effects as plug-ins is that you can open multiple instances of them. Let's see, in the hardware world 10 REAL instances of a Fairchild is only $300,000!!!

[Squids]

Definitely not worth the money? It is a suite of 5 plug-ins and each one is the software emulation of a very expensive piece of hardware outboard gear. It's not worth less than $85 for that compressor? That parametric EQ? Multiband limiter? Come on! Haven't you ever drooled over these hardware pieces at the music store?

As for anyone being impressed with its sound this is of course a matter of opinion.

Answered your own question Squids. Its because of the sound that I feel its not worth the money, not because you don't get enough.

I'm much more comfortable using my GCO-1, GPP-1, GEQ-1, and they cost just as much as T-Racks, so no need to talk about price affecting my ability to make decisions.

Fair enough. I was thinking more in general though. Too often I see people on forums not believing that something more expensive might just be better than something that is just cheaper...

Anyway, in the area of opinions we are all our own judge and of course that is what matters most. Although when I hear TRacks in context of great sounding mixes or instrument tracks I find it hard to believe that anyone would think it doesn't sound good but that's just me.

[Squids]

Now, Ozone isn't as easy to use. It sounds different. It doesn't sound bad or anything. Some of the things you can do with it seemed interesting to me in a tweaky sort of way but for me if I am going to get "surgical" then Waves is ideal for that (restoration for example of "fixing it in the mastering"). However, if you do good clean mixes that don't need tweaky surgery...

I think its fine when you jump into to promo your own product, Squids - yay capitalism and all that... But cutting down Ozone as only good for mixes needing 'tweaky surgery' is a low blow. Ozone is ideal for any mix!

The truth is Ozone is: far more flexible than TR, far cheaper than TR, and IMO possesses far better sound-quality than TR.

Perhaps you're right and TR compares very favourably value-wise with vintage hardware gear - however as you know, thats totally irrelevant to this thread!

It's not irrelevant to this thread when talking about TRacks vs. Ozone. That vintage hardware gear is what a lot of mastering houses use man! One of my ex-roomates years ago was a grammy winning mastering engineer for Sheffield Labs. I've been to a lot of mastering studios and they've got tube gear we all would only dream of.

As for slagging Ozone, I don't think I am. I didn't say it sounded bad. It isn't as easy to use. It isn't as powerful for surgical stuff as Waves (although yes it is cheaper). I guess for me it seems better to have something really serious like Waves for "fixing" and something you just run it through and turn big tube gear knobs with nice audible results like T-Racks. But, that's just my opinion and even a biased one. I didn't make T-Racks but we all know how I am affiliated with IK. I've mention other products I like such as Waves and UAD as well though and I am just being honest and also conveying things I know from a lot of pro musicians, engineers and producers I've been able to talk to about it.

My 2 cents offered for balance.

[finnbio]

Let's see, in the hardware world 10 REAL instances of a Fairchild is only $300,000!!!

Yeah squids,

but for little more money than what T-Racks costs, I can get a UAD-1 with their Fairchild plugin.

Alex

[Squids]

Let's see, in the hardware world 10 REAL instances of a Fairchild is only $300,000!!!

Yeah squids,

but for little more money than what T-Racks costs, I can get a UAD-1 with their Fairchild plugin.

Alex

Yes, and it's a good one (didn't I say?). Of course you can't use it on a laptop though if you have one or on multiple computers if you have those. But, one of the main differences is what I was saying that was interesting about the T-Racks compressor being modeled after the Fairchild sound-wise (modeling the circuitry etc. ) but then modifying it to be a COMPRESSOR (not just a limiter that has a brick wall infinity to 1 ratio). So, think of it as a modified Fairchild 670 that has some nice features like 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 ratios for smooth vocals, mastering among other things that the real and UAD Fairchild didn't have. Even if you have a UAD you still might want to use TRacks for specific things as well. I do.

[AndrewSimon]

Well I love T-Racks and Amplitube as well.
(and I got T-Racks for FREE when I purchased Amplitube)
These two plugs have lousy presets and you really need to learn how to tweak them to get that real vintage tube sound out of them.
I think a lot of people just give up on it too soon.

These plugs work great for my style of music (70's funk and jazz not just for dance music as mentioned before)

There are some shortcomings, mainly the noisy final stage reverb on Amplitube and the "too dirty" multiband limiter in T-Racks.
I never use these two sections but the rest is all cream.

T-Racks can be great for anybody who needs "warmth" and that "fat tube sound", works great on any recorded sound (vocals/instrument).
On the other hand if your music is mainly modern clean synthesizer generated electronica, these are probably not for you.

BTW I have the UAD plugs , GCO-1, GPP-1
They are all great and they all compliment each other nicely.

[diverdee]

Someone recently posted that the individual plugs have latency that is not reported to the host, and there's no way to find out what that latency is. Is that true? I've been wondering ever since I read it.
If I've heard wrong, please feel free to correct me.

I would be very interested in hearing a definitive answer to this question also.
I believe mr squids is the dude in a position to answer this, yet it is one point he hasn't yet addressed.
Obviously if this is true it is a serious issue, as it could seriously muck up peoples mixes when using the individual plug ins, & if it is false i would think that it would be in IK's best interests to squash the rumour post-haste.
So what's the deal mr squids?

[multree]

I like Ozone but I LOVE T-RackS it is my most important tool... not only as a mastering effect though.... I use the EQ and the compressor all over the place... superb stuff

[ResonantOrder]

Someone recently posted that the individual plugs have latency that is not reported to the host, and there's no way to find out what that latency is. Is that true? I've been wondering ever since I read it.
If I've heard wrong, please feel free to correct me.

I would be very interested in hearing a definitive answer to this question also.
I believe mr squids is the dude in a position to answer this, yet it is one point he hasn't yet addressed.
Obviously if this is true it is a serious issue, as it could seriously muck up peoples mixes when using the individual plug ins, & if it is false i would think that it would be in IK's best interests to squash the rumour post-haste.
So what's the deal mr squids?

Still waiting on an answer here also.