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sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:34 pm

when i lets say sample presets from old synths from roland, korg, akai.... whatever - do i have to pay fees to them then?

i´m still not sure how this works...
am i allowed to just sample a series of presets and sell them?

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:46 pm

What about Hollow Sun, they sell commercial CD, of old synths. And use to have freebies for downlowd of nearly everything that has ever been made. Someone is selling somewhere samples of Russian synths, that might be hard to copyright. Most of these things have been long and gone. Would copyright effect this situation. Why rely on a preset, when you could craft your own sounds with that vintage instrument, that might sell?

sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:50 pm

well of course i´m not a preset-rider, i would make new sounds out of old instruments (as far i can)

i´m just in the plans of starting an online sample-library, but with a mixture of old and new sounds in different formats, some freebies some commercial packs and all that ...

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Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:52 pm

Also, just thinking, the package would have include wave, and preset versions, firstly for CM DS404/SR808
because most have them,as well as for those expensive samplers. The thing is, to cover all bases, there probably would not be much actual content on the CD????

sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:53 pm

well and if i would heavily modify them i wouldnt have problems at all?

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sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Mon May 09, 2005 4:06 pm

somewhere i heard a sound is somehow copyright free as soon as it´s modified or something but i can be wrong

well basically my idea comes from hammersound.net - i really like this site its a great resource. but i would love to extend it to more different formats, some direct order links and all that stuff...

*just dreaming*

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McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Mon May 09, 2005 4:54 pm

You can't escape copyright issues by simply altering the original creator's work. In the USA, the courts have ruled that even if you manipulate an audio recording to the point of being absolutely unrecognizable, you are still infringing on the original copyright, and are making yourself a target for a lawsuit. It might be hard for someone to know that you have done this, or hard for them to prove it, but if they know and can prove it, you can be in big trouble. It's simply not worth the risk.

As for sampling old analog synths, you should be fine--as long as you are using your own presets, and not presets created by others without their permission. Analog synths don't contain any recorded sounds, and are free from copyright in that sense. If the instrument has presets, the presets might fall under a copyright, so avoid any presets that you didn't create yourself, or get permission to use.

You run into potential trouble when you try to distribute samples of instruments which contain recordings, samples, or wavetables in them. These are protected by copyright, just as the latest Britney Spears album is protected by copyright. They're all considered audio recordings by the courts. You would need permission from the equipment manufacturer, if you wanted to distribute samples of the individual notes of instruments such as this.

If you are creating loop libraries, then you should be able to use even the romplers as instruments in your loop recordings--as long as your loops can be considered an actual "performance of music" and not simply single note samples. This would be similar to Britney using a rompler on her next album. She doesn't have to pay royalties to the rompler maker, to use it in a work of her own original music.

These are the general rules, as I understand them, but I'm not a lawyer. I would suggest you consult with an actual lawyer for the final word on such matters.

take care,
McLilith

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