Tracktion sampler

[ksky]

When I use a wav sample for the Tracktion built in sampler the speed and pitch is correct for default root note, but when played with another key the speed slows or fastens. Does anyone know how have the key or pitch change without time loss.
Thanks

[ModuLR]

that is how a sampler works. The root note maintains the orignal pitch, while the other notes pitch up and down within the selected range. You are asking for a timestretch algo inside the sampler. Something of that sort does not exist.

[valley]

you'd need a samppler with pitch shifting abilities.

The T native sample simply alters the sample rate, which is pretty much the standard way of doing things.

You can pitch shift samples when they are used as audio clips, although the results may not be to your liking.

[IIRs]

Kontakt might do something of what you're asking, as might a re-synthesising additive synth.. both a bit more sophisticated than Tracktion's built-in sampler!

[ksky]

Thanks for the replies, i guess nothing of that sort exsists. I've been using Tracks for a year and never messed around with any kind of sampler before. For example in Acid you can change a wav file to certian key, but not with a sampler. I didn't know if it could be done changing keys on a wav audio file in real time with a keyboard. Thnks

[braj]

the results may not be to your liking.

Just a thought, could the same algorithm that hopefully is in an upcoming update to fix the time stretch be used in the sampler as well? Killing two birds yada yada...

[IIRs]

Jules might want to consider little details like an amp envelope first!

[braj]

Jules might want to consider little details like an amp envelope first!

Of course, but I was just thinking if they use one algo to do the time stretch, couldn't it be used for the sampler as well?

[valley]

that hopefully is in an upcoming update

fingers crossed, eh?

to fix the time stretch be used in the sampler as well? Killing two birds yada yada...

Maybe, maybe not. I guess it depends on:

a) how much work Mackie want to do on the sampler - 3rd party sampler solutions might be more cost effective in the long term

b) the underlying code in the sampler - sometimes with programming modifcations that seem simple in theory turn out to be a real cow when you get to looking at the existing algorithm.

Personally, my take on it is that the T native sampler needs so much work that it may or may not even be worth the effort.

[NAS]

Hey Platinumears
I have an SE plug that goes before the sampler in T and gives a very basic env.

Youre samples have to be long but it works like this, If your sample is long enough the SE plug will delay the MIDI note off to the sampler but not to the following env plug, It works but it aint like having it built in, I only built it cause Jules said it wouldn't work

[IIRs]

I only built it cause Jules said it wouldn't work

Inventive, but not really an envelope is it?



I'm more likely to embed the samples in a Synthedit plug to be honest..

[NAS]

Yip i dont use it either

[AD80]

I've used it once or twice. But I also have EXt's sampler and Kontakt 1.5, and Intakt. So T's sampler would need a couple of new features to compete. I much rather have new sequencing features.

[EggyToast]

Kontakt does indeed do what you're asking, but that's because it gives you the option of 3 different sampling methods. Standard sampling is to simply adjust the speed in order to change the pitch, which also affects the length. There are also 2 time-based methods in Kontakt, the first allows you to lock the length and adjust the pitch within that length, and the second locks the pitch and adjusts the length.

I doubt Tracktion, which focuses on multitracking, is going to drastically update its built-in sampler to incorporate relatively complex time-based algorithms, as it's quite rare outside of specific (and expensive) sampling software.

I imagine the purpose of the Tracktion sampler is as a simple one-shot sample playback editor, to complement the direct wave processing capabilities. You can get finer control with MIDI and a sampler than you can with direct audio files.

[valley]

I'd say that about sums it up.