Continuially Randomize Midi Volume on a Looped Pattern ?@!

[deafboy]

EDIT: I meant to say VELOCITY, not volume.

Is there a way to automatically randomize the VELOCITY of a midi pattern, so that every time it is placed, the VELOCITY changes slightly?


Let's say I have a pattern with 4 notes, of varying VELOCITIES:

4.0 4.0 6.0 8.0


I want the VELOCITY to randomly vary by 0-.4 every time the pattern is played (and I don't want to make 50 copies of the pattern).

If I the pattern was looped 3 times, the result might be:

3.8 4.4 5.7 8.2

4.0 4.1 6.3 7.9

4.3 3.9 6.1 8.4


Is there any easy way to do this? I'm guessing there certainly is!

[experimental.crow]

Is there a way to automatically randomize the volume of a midi pattern, so that every time it is placed, the volume changes slightly?


Let's say I have a pattern with 4 notes, of varying volume:

4.0 4.0 6.0 8.0


I want the volume to randomly vary by 0-.4 every time the pattern is played (and I don't want to make 50 copies of the pattern).

If I the pattern was looped 3 times, the result might be:

3.8 4.4 5.7 8.2

4.0 4.1 6.3 7.9

4.3 3.9 6.1 8.4


Is there any easy way to do this? I'm guessing there certainly is!

most hosts allow automation of volume ...
among other controls ...

what host are you using ?...

[deafboy]

could i do it in fruity loops?

also, i want it to automatically work on its own. i don't want to have to use a controller of any kind to randomize this.

[experimental.crow]

could i do it in fruity loops?

also, i want it to automatically work on its own. i don't want to have to use a controller of any kind to randomize this.

it's possible in FLS ...
easy way not entirely random , per se ...
you can hand draw a control line for volume ...
close your eyes when you draw it ...

hard way ...
assign a random lfo to control volume ...

[deafboy]

If I use a random LFO to control volume, can I use this to control the volume of the MIDI note?

For instance, if I'm using a sampler for drums, I may want the snare sample to actually randomly be a harder sounding snare.

So the output isn't the whole issue.

How would do I do this?


I don't want to draw the volume. I want it to be random so that if I play the same pattern 32 times, it always sounds different.

[experimental.crow]

If I use a random LFO to control volume, can I use this to control the volume of the MIDI note?

For instance, if I'm using a sampler for drums, I may want the snare sample to actually randomly be a harder sounding snare.

So the output isn't the whole issue.

How would do I do this?


I don't want to draw the volume. I want it to be random so that if I play the same pattern 32 times, it always sounds different.

that would seem to be more of a velocity issue , assuming you have multi-samples , triggered by velocity ...

look at the controls associated with the piano roll , lower window ...

you might also want to investigate the use of a modular environment , such as xT , used as a channel insert , in FLS ...

[deafboy]

If I use a random LFO to control volume, can I use this to control the volume of the MIDI note?

For instance, if I'm using a sampler for drums, I may want the snare sample to actually randomly be a harder sounding snare.

So the output isn't the whole issue.

How would do I do this?


I don't want to draw the volume. I want it to be random so that if I play the same pattern 32 times, it always sounds different.

that would seem to be more of a velocity issue , assuming you have multi-samples , triggered by velocity ...

look at the controls associated with the piano roll , lower window ...

you might also want to investigate the use of a modular environment , such as xT , used as a channel insert , in FLS ...

I suppose I actually should have said VELOCITY. I'm really stupid. I want to control MIDI Velocity this way. What type of chanel insert could modulate the midi velocity based on a pre-defined pattern?

[experimental.crow]

If I use a random LFO to control volume, can I use this to control the volume of the MIDI note?

For instance, if I'm using a sampler for drums, I may want the snare sample to actually randomly be a harder sounding snare.

So the output isn't the whole issue.

How would do I do this?


I don't want to draw the volume. I want it to be random so that if I play the same pattern 32 times, it always sounds different.

that would seem to be more of a velocity issue , assuming you have multi-samples , triggered by velocity ...

look at the controls associated with the piano roll , lower window ...

you might also want to investigate the use of a modular environment , such as xT , used as a channel insert , in FLS ...

I suppose I actually should have said VELOCITY. I'm really stupid. I want to control MIDI Velocity this way. What type of chanel insert could modulate the midi velocity based on a pre-defined pattern?

there are any number of midiFX type plugs that could be assigned to velocity ...

midi routing in FLS is a tad clunky , but can be done ...
it's easier to do in xT , which can be used as a channel insert in FLS ...

this is fairly sophisticated , and not something i can get into tonight , as it's late here ...

you can use the search function here , and do a bit of background reading ...
others may check into this thread , as well ...

i'll be back tomorrow ...

if you haven't done this before , expect a bit of a learning curve ...

[deafboy]

EDIT: so i have ideas now for trying to figure this out. thank you for your help normal. much appreciated.

i know how to setup a midiout, set the port, and then rout that port to a sampler.

i know how to link the midiout knobs to a randomizing controller.

but when i link it to velocity, it doesn't modulate it.

[experimental.crow]

EDIT: so i have ideas now for trying to figure this out. thank you for your help normal. much appreciated.

i know how to setup a midiout, set the port, and then rout that port to a sampler.

i know how to link the midiout knobs to a randomizing controller.

but when i link it to velocity, it doesn't modulate it.

ah , then ...
you're well on your way ...

if you haven't seen this , you'll find enough here to keep you busy , for awhile ...

http://www.midiplugins.com/

[deafboy]

I'm still really confused.

I want to actually modulate the velocity by a certain percentage, and I don't know if this is possible.

It seems like I could control the actual velocity using modulation, but I don't want to ignore the velocity already in there.

I want to alter the velocity by a certain precentage each time, i.e. 10%.

I'm still so confused, and I tried to figure things out and just wasn't able to understand.

SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!

[experimental.crow]

I'm still really confused.

I want to actually modulate the velocity by a certain percentage, and I don't know if this is possible.

It seems like I could control the actual velocity using modulation, but I don't want to ignore the velocity already in there.

I want to alter the velocity by a certain precentage each time, i.e. 10%.

I'm still so confused, and I tried to figure things out and just wasn't able to understand.

SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!

let's start with some more information ...
what sampler are you using ?...

[ew]

Your problem is that velocity isn't a controller per se- it's part of the note on/note off message.

A MIDI note on or note off message is ewo part- the first is the MIDI note number (0-127) followed by the velocity (also 0-127). Note that a note off's velocity is 0 unless your keyboard is capable of transmitting release velocity.

ew

[deafboy]

oh, wait, i figured it out.

thanks!

[tuz]

oh, wait, i figured it out.

thanks!

glad you figured it out. i was about to say link the volume of the sample to the fruity formula controller and use/write a formula.