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Look chaps...this is what you *must* do when you buy a record that has been fubared...and I am totally serious here.

First...you take it back to the record store and *politely* ask to return it for a refund or an exchange. State in understandable lay terms why you what to do this, and be patient when you get the initial deadpan expressions. Be articulate and intelligent about this, don't make it sound like you are downing the store.

Next...send a note on to the record label explaining that you returned the record to the store you purchased it from, and why. Again, do not make scathing attacks, just state your case in a mature professional manner. Be sure to mention that you are unlikely to purchase other records under their label if this is what they deem as an acceptable listening experience.

Thirdly...send a note on to the mastering house, to the attention of the engineer specifically credited with the record's mastering. Again, calmly explain your circumstance and make a specific point to note that you will be unlikely to purchase *any* record crediting their particular mastering house and/or the mastering engineer.

Finally...if the band has a web forum, or any contact address at all...use it to *politely* and intelligently bring your dissatisfaction to their attention. Again, be *very* clear that you have no interest in purchasing any future records they make should they be treated in a similar fashion.

I would also suggest the same approach as the above whenever you buy a record that you believe to be exceptionally well done. Praise where praise is due...otherwise, let the rotten tomatoes fly thick and fast. :hihi:


Feedback folks...feedback. If you go to a fine restaurant and get a lousy meal how do you respond? The only difference here, is that instead of putting bad food into your mouth, you are putting bad sounds into your ears.
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu

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beltrom wrote:
jeffn1 wrote:I am surprised no one mentioned Rush's Vapor Trails. Maybe your not to hot on the album, regardless of the production.

jeffn1
I like Rush, but I haven't been able to listen to all of that album yet - so I don't know if its great or not - it's completely ruined and I want my money back. I got it when it was new and haven't heard it once! This was the album that opened my eyes/ears to the comprace - before hearing it I thought overcompression was only a problem for guys with golden ears...
Vapor Trails seems to be a ledgendary disappointment and it's really a pity because the early Rush releases were fantastic.

I have not heard it so I don't want to promote gossip, but Vapor Trails is getting dis'd all over the place by many people. I have heard it sounds so bad people are indeed demanding refunds. If so, Geddy should be fuckin furious... :?

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...xander wrote: Vapor Trails seems to be a ledgendary disappointment and it's really a pity because the early Rush releases were fantastic.
This particular record is indeed, incredibly bad...just an absolute mess. I bought one *specifically* so I could return it. :roll:
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu

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not electronic, but a huge amount of Oasis rock-style stuff sounds very bad. No distinction between overdriven guitar and percussion. I just pick this out as they are meant to be a mainstream commercial band who should have the best engineers, but it sounds very cluttered and washy.

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MickGael wrote:
beltrom wrote:I like Rush, but I haven't been able to listen to all of that album yet - so I don't know if its great or not - it's completely ruined and I want my money back. I got it when it was new and haven't heard it once! This was the album that opened my eyes/ears to the comprace - before hearing it I thought overcompression was only a problem for guys with golden ears...
Conversely, "A Farewell to Kings" is (IMHO) one of the best recorded records I've ever heard (and "Permanent Waves" is right up there, as well...)
Those along with Hemispheres, Signals, Power Windows :)

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crimsontider wrote:
MickGael wrote:
beltrom wrote:I like Rush, but I haven't been able to listen to all of that album yet - so I don't know if its great or not - it's completely ruined and I want my money back. I got it when it was new and haven't heard it once! This was the album that opened my eyes/ears to the comprace - before hearing it I thought overcompression was only a problem for guys with golden ears...
Conversely, "A Farewell to Kings" is (IMHO) one of the best recorded records I've ever heard (and "Permanent Waves" is right up there, as well...)
Those along with Hemispheres, Signals, Power Windows :)
Somehow that makes the "Vapor trails-mess" even more sad. I've come to expect so much more from Rush...

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crimsontider wrote:
MickGael wrote:
beltrom wrote:I like Rush, but I haven't been able to listen to all of that album yet - so I don't know if its great or not - it's completely ruined and I want my money back. I got it when it was new and haven't heard it once! This was the album that opened my eyes/ears to the comprace - before hearing it I thought overcompression was only a problem for guys with golden ears...
Conversely, "A Farewell to Kings" is (IMHO) one of the best recorded records I've ever heard (and "Permanent Waves" is right up there, as well...)
"Hemispheres" and "A Farewell to Kings" are among the most formative of albums for me. Not the drumming (as one might think) but that guitar sound... MY GOD THAT GUITAR SOUND!!!

Alex Lifeson: :hail:

and another :hail: :hail: :hail:

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Sleek Month wrote:oBTW.

My goal in life is to remix Raw Power and the first deadboys album


Yeah, the nutty lofi versions have a certain charm, but there are albums since that eat those alive. I find in ludicrous that if you put on "Master of puppets" after "Raw power", RP ooses simply becasue of the inferior sound.

Raw power shoud eat up and spit out MOP, If you listen to it, the sounds are there, but the mik is ass.

Same with "young loud and snotty".

I'd like to remix buzzcocks and Gen X, also. Those records should not sound less aweasome becsue of the mixes, dammit.

...now, lemme a million bucks so I can get start
ed...I also accept Money orders and paypal...

-S.
AMEN!

More cool albums that have shit mixing/production/mastering that you can fix for me when you aquire your huge studio...

The Sonics - Here Are the Sonics!!!
The Monks - Black Monk Time
Coroner - Mental Vortex (not sure what it is, but the mixing on that REALLY bugs the f**k out of me)
Morbid Angel - Covenant
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Blue Cheer - Vincebus Eruptum

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floyd wrote:Hmm, my vote is Tool - Opiate . Damn what a hard-rocking album with a crushing rhythm section, but it sounds shit! One song has a telephone ringing in the background even.
That's supposed to be there.

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Voidoid Surrealist wrote: More cool albums that have shit mixing/production/mastering that you can fix for me when you aquire your huge studio...

The Sonics - Here Are the Sonics!!!
The Monks - Black Monk Time
Coroner - Mental Vortex (not sure what it is, but the mixing on that REALLY bugs the f**k out of me)
Morbid Angel - Covenant
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Blue Cheer - Vincebus Eruptum
Don't you think that remixing/remastering most, if not all of those albums (a couple I am not familiar with), would ruin a fair degree of made them great in the first place? A lot of their power comes from how incredibly raw and immediate and viseral they sound. It's muddy and messy, but that strikes me as sorta the point.

Or maybe you were just kidding.
Now Somewhat Retired

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puffer wrote:Don't you think that remixing/remastering most, if not all of those albums (a couple I am not familiar with), would ruin a fair degree of made them great in the first place? A lot of their power comes from how incredibly raw and immediate and viseral they sound. It's muddy and messy, but that strikes me as sorta the point.
If you haven't heard Morbid Tales you wouldn't understand..

:hihi:

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White Light/White Heat by the Velvets is apparently badly mixed, but to my taste is sounds fantastic!!
Phil

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise" - William Blake
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not electronic, but a huge amount of Oasis rock-style stuff sounds very bad. No distinction between overdriven guitar and percussion. I just pick this out as they are meant to be a mainstream commercial band who should have the best engineers, but it sounds very cluttered and washy.
Oooh. I don't agree at all. I think that what makes oasis sound so cool is the "wall of noise" approach.

The whole point is that nothing sounds distinct, it all just sounds like a single sound...
Don't you think that remixing/remastering most, if not all of those albums (a couple I am not familiar with), would ruin a fair degree of made them great in the first place? A lot of their power comes from how incredibly raw and immediate and viseral they sound. It's muddy and messy, but that strikes me as sorta the point.
Absolutely not. The performances are there, the songs are there, the production is not. Clearly, the original artist didn't want an album that would sound like shit compared to everthing else.

The Deadboys with a "Mutt Lange" production would just be the same stuff, yet completely awesome.

-S.
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so bad mix is as subjective as good mix ?
i tried to tell her but she wouldn`t listen.

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Sleek Month wrote:
Don't you think that remixing/remastering most, if not all of those albums (a couple I am not familiar with), would ruin a fair degree of made them great in the first place? A lot of their power comes from how incredibly raw and immediate and viseral they sound. It's muddy and messy, but that strikes me as sorta the point.
Absolutely not. The performances are there, the songs are there, the production is not. Clearly, the original artist didn't want an album that would sound like shit compared to everthing else.

The Deadboys with a "Mutt Lange" production would just be the same stuff, yet completely awesome.

-S.
Exactly!
I wouldn't want to re-master something that should be lo-fi in the first place, some black metal just wouldn't sound right clean. But listen to Morbid Angel's Covenant and tell me it wouldn't be just f**king AMAZING if it had the production values of something like Opeth.

The "raw and powerful" feeling in 60's Garage rock should feel "raw and powerful" not "muddy and weak". When I put on a Sonics cd, Gerry should be screaming at me like I'm right there with him in that shitty little studio with all those cheap instruments! It shouldn't sound like a third generation copy being played a block away. This shit should be able to kick ass and take names when I include it on a mix cd.

And while we're at it, it would be nice to have some modern cleanup of the clicks and pops on the Nuggets and Back From the Grave series that comes from transferring some of the stuff direct from used vinyl...

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