Kjaerhus - Wow, thanks Torben!

[Amberience]

You were basically saying you wouldn't buy any Kjaerhus product again because Torben has been generous to his customers

You know... when you use the phrase "you were basically saying.." it straight away reveals that you did not even understand what I was saying.

I tell you what. Instead of chastising me and calling me an idiot, why you don't guys tell me how you understand my interpretation of Torbens words.

Come along now, tell me what it is you think I am saying.

[Amberience]

And on what concrete evidence do you base your presumptuous conclusions about Torben's actions?

Use your head parky, there is no concrete evidence. If there was, either I'd be in agreement with you guys, or you'd be in agreement with me. All I have are Torbens words.

[xander]

'nuf said...

Torben -- if you're listening, I think *most* everyone understood that this was a very commendable gesture on your part. Keep up the great work mate!

Cheers,
Alex

[rockstarfx]

eh let's forget this shit and celebrate how much kjaerhus audio rocks.

[Warmonger]

I understand how your interpretation would make you a bit pissed. I just don't get how you came up with it in the first place.

[Frippertronix]

I'll buy that the choice of words in the now infamous sentence seemed to imply a guilt trip aimed at customers who frequent this board, but I don't get the "group buys have rules" idea.

Group buys have whatever rules whoever is selling something wants them to have, as long as they don't rip off the people who put their money in. The rules only apply to those who spent money, and only to protect them from getting short changed. If people who don't put their money in miss out on something they weren't expecting to get, it's just not their lucky day, not some kind of betrayal by the seller.

Torben has a right to be a little irritated that GUP isn't selling well. That's a personal feeling I sympathize with, since this is a product that rivals anything else out there of its type. Maybe he shouldn't have come out and expressed it that particular way, but I think he's cool to offer the discount, since he probably feels the buyers were expecting a better deal. He's eating it instead of letting them. I'd say that balances out heavily in his favor in terms of deserving respect.

[Frippertronix]

When I returned to this thread and saw it had 30+ responses, I was thinking---wow, that's more people that bought into the group buy. People must really love Kjaerhus!

[parky]

And on what concrete evidence do you base your presumptuous conclusions about Torben's actions?

Use your head parky, there is no concrete evidence. If there was, either I'd be in agreement with you guys, or you'd be in agreement with me. All I have are Torbens words.

In other words, you had no concrete proof, you merely jumped to conclusions and assumed the worst.

Great attitude,
Mr. Negativity!

[Amberience]

I understand how your interpretation would make you a bit pissed. I just don't get how you came up with it in the first place.

We do not want those who supported this group buy to loose due to the absence of all those who did not!

I guess the way I read this is different to everyone else. To me, this is saying that the group buy was not successful because of the people who did not support it. He's saying that if you didn't give him money then you didn't support the group buy, and by extension you didn't support the company.

He says he doesn't want people to lose out because of the people who were not supportive. So he gives them the entire discount anyway.

Now.. yes group buys have rules that the seller puts in place. Doesn't it seem reasonable that the seller should stick to their own rules? If they change them after the event, don't those rules become meaningless?

Sure, Torben does have the right to be irritated. I would be too I guess. Does he have the right to imply that no-one supported the product? Hmmm.. thats a little different. What about all those people who just didn't have the money at the time, were they non-supportive or just unfortunate?

Can I just say that I'm glad people got the discount. I'm not bothered that I "missed out" ... like I said I never wanted it anyway.

But it does bother me if I'm labelled as unsupportive.

Now then... you guys are saying I've interpretted the text wrong. So that puts me in a position where I have to reconsider my opinion... and I have done that.

It is plausible that I am wrong. So, for the sake of preventing further argument and insult, I tried to drop it a few posts ago. That was not successful... so... can we try that again please?

DROP IT. I WAS WRONG.

[ResonantOrder]

I'm not involved in the group buy, but Torben's gesture just makes me think higher of him. It's great that he did that and I really don't see how anyone could think otherwise.

The only reason I didn't join the group buy is that I'm beyond broke right now-but his plugs are first on the list for next month. Congrats to all the people who saved some money.

[nuisance sonore]

Je ne crois pas qu’il soit nécessaire ici d’effectuer une dissertation sur les motifs sous jacent qui pourraient expliquer la décision de Torben suite a l’issue du “group buy”, et encore moins le choix des mots employés considérant que l’anglais n’est pas la langue native du locuteur.
Il n’est nécessaire ici, à mon avis du moins, que de juger de l’action, qui elle, témoigne d’un esprit empreint de justice, générosité et loyauté envers sa clientèle; une action de ce genre serait plus digne de recevoir remerciements et éloges plutôt que le courroux qui m’est apparus plutôt déplacé.

[Warmonger]

I do not believe that it is necessary to carry out here an essay on the reasons under unclaimed which could explain the decision of Torben following the exit of the "group buy", and even less the choice of the words employed considering that English is not the native language of the speaker. It is not necessary here, in my opinion at least, to judge action, which it, testifies to a spirit impresses justice, generosity and honesty towards its customers; an action of this kind would be worthier to receive thanks and praises rather than the ire which my appeared rather moved.

Hmm, that's actually quite comprehensible output, for a computer translation.

[nuisance sonore]

I do not believe that it is necessary to carry out here an essay on the reasons under unclaimed which could explain the decision of Torben following the exit of the "group buy", and even less the choice of the words employed considering that English is not the native language of the speaker. It is not necessary here, in my opinion at least, to judge action, which it, testifies to a spirit impresses justice, generosity and honesty towards its customers; an action of this kind would be worthier to receive thanks and praises rather than the ire which my appeared rather moved.

Hmm, that's actually quite comprehensible output, for a computer translation.

I might try to write this in English, when I'm not that tired.

[Sascha Franck]

I tell you what. Instead of chastising me and calling me an idiot, why you don't guys tell me how you understand my interpretation of Torbens words.

Fairly easy: I don't understand it at all because it's been moronic BS. And that's all there is about.

[scam_artist]

thanks for your generosity Torben - another happy customer here. does that make me a fanboy?