KVR Audio

elv · Post by **elv** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:01 am

Dont know if you are interested or not but Live4 seems to run fine under Wine.My only problem is the audiocard Wine offers my so latency are very high

snareSpanker · Post by **snareSpanker** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:09 am

Haha, cool! Thanks for the tip! I'll have to try that out later

parky · Post by **parky** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:58 pm

elv wrote:Dont know if you are interested or not but Live4 seems to run fine under Wine.My only problem is the audiocard Wine offers my so latency are very high

Interesting. Which Linux distro did you use?

I've seen some docs about running vsti's under wine, but had my suspicions that wine would be too slow. I mean, after all, wine is an os emulator and has to interpret and translate os calls in software vs. hardware. That could be the cause of the high latencies that you found.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:48 pm

Wonder how Receptor manages it...

elv · Post by **elv** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:52 pm

parky wrote:
elv wrote:Dont know if you are interested or not but Live4 seems to run fine under Wine.My only problem is the audiocard Wine offers my so latency are very high
Interesting. Which Linux distro did you use?

I've seen some docs about running vsti's under wine, but had my suspicions that wine would be too slow. I mean, after all, wine is an os emulator and has to interpret and translate os calls in software vs. hardware. That could be the cause of the high latencies that you found.

Ubuntu is what I use and the reason I had to use such a huge latancy is beacause Wine just gives my a option of some Trident soundcard.
The fact is most app should run on similar speed in Wine and in Windows...thats apps tha can run under Wine

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:55 pm

It's too long since I played with Wine and Linux... Does Wine let you use a JACK device as a soundcard? That should get your latency down as low as it can go (until the point it crashes your PC hard... or that's what I remember...

).

anopenscroll · Post by **anopenscroll** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:59 pm

Yes, how does Receptor do all this, I wonder...

elv · Post by **elv** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:00 pm

pljones wrote:It's too long since I played with Wine and Linux... Does Wine let you use a JACK device as a soundcard? That should get your latency down as low as it can go (until the point it crashes your PC hard... or that's what I remember... ).

Really dont now, I am only on week 2 on Linux now

parky · Post by **parky** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:32 pm

elv wrote: Ubuntu is what I use

Same here!

The 'Hoary Hedgehog' release!

and the reason I had to use such a huge latancy is beacause Wine just gives my a option of some Trident soundcard.
The fact is most app should run on similar speed in Wine and in Windows...thats apps tha can run under Wine

I can see that Word or Excell would run at the same speed, but audio apps? As I said before, wine has to do extra calculations
as it functions as an os emulator (despite 'wine' being short for Wine is Not an Emultor). An extra layer between an audio app and the os (Linux) has to add more overhead.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:37 pm

parky wrote:An extra layer between an audio app and the os (Linux) has to add more overhead.

Depends. If it provided an ASIO driver over JACK or even direct to ALSA, you'd probably get as good or better latency than in Windows. However, I think the ASIO licencing may be an issue (again, vague memories).

elv · Post by **elv** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:53 pm

Extra layer yes,so they would never be as fast a native Linux app...but it isnt an extra layer on top of windows.

How are you liking Ubuntu......and what are you using to make music?

griels · Post by **griels** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:41 pm

Yup, I used to get better performance running SynC Modular under Linux than under Win98

parky · Post by **parky** » Tue May 17, 2005 12:22 am

elv wrote:Extra layer yes,so they would never be as fast a native Linux app...but it isnt an extra layer on top of windows.

How are you liking Ubuntu......and what are you using to make music?

Ubuntu is very good at hardware detection and well-it just works well!

I've been using Linux on the internet since about 1995. But I don't do music on it. Sorry, but there is nothing to compare to windows and mac audio apps like Logic,Cubase, Tracktion 2, Podium, etc,etc. And don't anyone try and convince me that Rosegarden 4, Ardour, Muse et al are ready for prime time-they are not.

And until there is a simple reliable way to run vstis on Linux (or better still native linux instruments) I won't waste my time setting up and tweaking Linux to do a half- ass
job of running vstis. (Life is too short.)

I don't run hardware synths but they may fare better in Linux, dunno. I wish them all the luck, but it ain't there yet.

Live4 runs under WIne